we are a mere speck of dust on a speck of dust resting carefully on a flower held by a elephant named horton

I see

i want what hes puting up his butt

If the universe is eternal then there has to be a cause. The universe cannot cause itself, so the cause must transcend physical reality. There is no infinite regress. Eventually you arrive at a necessary being to explain all contingent life.

If that necessary being is not God, then what Is it..

Why does there have to be a cause? If the cosmos always existed then there is no creator.

Here's the fallacy
(A) If the universe began to exist, then it has a cause [If A, then B]
(B) The universe did not begin to exist [Not A]
(C) Therefore the universe did not have a cause [Therefore not B]

It could be the case that all things, both eternal and temporal, require either a temporally prior or logically prior cause. One cannot merely assume that an eternal being is anuncaused being. One mustprovide an argument for this premise.

This post was edited by herbdoc on Nov 6 2014 10:22am

But isn't causality strictly a temporal concept? Causation means that a particular prior event (cause) brings about an after event (effect). If the universe is eternal, there is no "before" the universe, so for it to be caused is literally nonsensical.

Yeah it will expand until the Big Crunch..

Big Bang? What Caused that?
My answer is God, eternal.

What is yours?

and your proof for this claim is?

also, discomfort with infinite regress doesn't mean it's impossible

This post was edited by duffman316 on Nov 6 2014 11:52am