Its actually really insane, and INCREDIBLY profound. This stuff is similar to chaos theory, which is where the same initial conditions can lead to widely varying end results. This is due to something called feedback, where the next "event" is dependent on the event previous to it. An easy example is the way waves on the beach "fold back" on themselves when the water goes back into the ocean and disturbs the incoming wave, or how turbulence works.

This is an example of randomness even in a macro system. Ever think about the weather and why a 7 day forecast is usually shit?



I posted before I saw this edit, but those are some examples.

Also, as an aside, researchers have been able to show that even a buckyball (60 carbon molecule) displays a defraction pattern. Basically, a 60 atom molecule can be used in the double slit experiment to show that it "interacts with itself," and that it indeed does act like a wave AND a particle (bringing into question, well if a 60 atom molecule does, do bigger things too?). And actually, it does!. However, using de Broglie's primitive equation, w = h/p, where w is the wavelength, h is Planck's constant, and p is momentum. However, try calculating the wavelength of a baseball moving at 90 mph. Its on the order or 10^-30 meters, which is essentially nothing.

This post was edited by khemist on Jun 26 2013 06:51pm

to the cavemen, the weather is a work of god.

point is, everything still theory, with counter theories. your mind is bias to what you learned first

randomness is still theory not fact

It may be a theory, but there are plenty of observable and experiments that point to randomness being real.

- Archosaur

thats why its theory not law.

e/don't see the relevance of the quote

This post was edited by Anphrax on Jun 26 2013 07:12pm

Its basically saying that if you dont agree with theories accepted by the scientific community, you probably shouldnt tell anyone.

Chaos theory is a pretty prominent theory involving randomness.

Unless of course, you are Einstein. But I have a hard time believing anyone on jsp has a physical understanding of the world comparable to that of Einstein.

This post was edited by khemist on Jun 26 2013 07:15pm

i dont believe in the egotism science has turned into. if you have a theory that disagrees with the accepted paradigm you should say something about it, it helps with brain storming new ideas even if its not real. if einstein didnt pursue his imagination we wouldnt be here discussing quantum mechanics

But it required a firm understanding of previous theories to be able to know what is wrong about them. Simply saying they are not valid because they are theories is ignorant. Would you say Newton's theories or Einsteins theories are wrong, on the basis they are theories? Certainly not, because they can describe particular situations very accurately (to decimal places).

Your beliefs have no place in science. If you want to "believe" something, go to the religious forum. Science is the art of observation and describing the natural (and sometimes unnatural!) world. Because something doesnt agree with your intuition doesnt mean its wrong.

This post was edited by khemist on Jun 27 2013 10:37am

you missed the point.

previous comment was strictly on what has became of science, nothing more nothing less.

This post was edited by Anphrax on Jun 27 2013 10:04pm

nothing is 'truly' random.
But it may as well be.
You're talking about certain mechanisms and the potential to foresee what will happen based on the laws of physics. So if you could take away the unpredictability aspect of things, then you wouldnt just be able to reveal short term answers like this, but could potentially 'read' the future, based on the most likely pattern of events to occur.

I dont know if that makes sense because of how much of a mind fuck this topic is, but i hope you understand haha

Read the thread, because I have reiterated more than once that randomness is real and has been tested experimentally many times. I dont know how else to say it..