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Aug 22 2012 07:42pm
even an amateur astronomer can do a simple experiment proving evidence of a moon landing. we humans left mirrors used by scientists to measure apogee and perigee of the moon (by reflecting lasers off the moon). i have seen this experiment performed, its really cool. the moon is a very long distance from the earth. beam a laser at the mirror and wait for the return. try it!

you need a lot of equipment, lol.
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Aug 22 2012 10:16pm
There is one answer, that encomposes numerous reasons.

That answer is, the cold war. The Apollo Program was extremely expensive and extremely dangerous. They would never get away with what they did then, now, it's a miracle it succeded as much as it did. We the west hardly invest in space anymore because even though there is vast amounts of resources on the moon, the asteroid belt, Mars, the Jovian planets, hell, Mercury and Venus probably have quite a bit as well (Probably not enough that will ever be profitable even when we do develop the technology to extract it), space has little economic value right now. Such a shame too, we'll probably see serious advances this century (Possibly a space elevator, Mars missions, permenant moon missions, more research into making permenant space stations), hopefully a near FTL spacecraft sometime in the 22nd century. It's the most interesting thing science has left and NASA and the other important space agencies (JAXA, RKA, ESA, CSA) give little money to it. Only China is really expanding.

People may not like it but it may take China making a serious push to establish a moon colony with a quasi-millitary motive to start another space race. Pretty much a new cold war.

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they are called sensors. they collect data and then interpret that data into usable information.

ya know...exactly how your sight and touch works.


Rovers are extremely limited in what they can do. They need to have people there to make the real breakthroughts.

The technology exists to go there now, quicker than the Rovers got there, it's just so expensive it could bankrupt a space program if it fails. Once the technology becomes better and cheaper, they'll go.

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Aug 23 2012 05:55am
Computers used by nasa (NADC) to run the centrifuge in 1964:






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Aug 23 2012 07:57am
1) space travel isnt linear... everythign is moving and precise calculation is needed to make any kind of landing...
2) space travel isnt cheap... shielding for the radiation bombardment, fuel, mats, research and dev costs, tests, tech.
3) space travel is far and time isnt on our side... it takes time for a signal from earth to reach another planet...
-3a) for instance; a high-powered digital radio signal that was sent on 9 October 2008 towards Gliese 581 c, a large terrestrial extrasolar planet orbiting the red dwarf star Gliese 581. The signal is a digital time capsule containing 501 messages that were selected through a competition on the social networking site Bebo. The message was sent using the RT-70 radar telescope of Ukraine's National Space Agency. The signal will reach the planet Gliese 581 c in early 2029 (*)
4) it isnt our number one priority... our number one priority is finding a way to produce.. so we can export, regain losses over the past 12 years and renew our economy.


*source wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%5FMessage%5FFrom%5FEarth






e/ to anyone questioning the moon landing, get a high powered telescope and check out the sun bleached american flags... they are all white now... and one is knocked over..

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Quote (Caedus @ Aug 23 2012 12:16am)
There is one answer, that encomposes numerous reasons.

That answer is, the cold war. The Apollo Program was extremely expensive and extremely dangerous. They would never get away with what they did then, now, it's a miracle it succeded as much as it did. We the west hardly invest in space anymore because even though there is vast amounts of resources on the moon, the asteroid belt, Mars, the Jovian planets, hell, Mercury and Venus probably have quite a bit as well (Probably not enough that will ever be profitable even when we do develop the technology to extract it), space has little economic value right now. Such a shame too, we'll probably see serious advances this century (Possibly a space elevator, Mars missions, permenant moon missions, more research into making permenant space stations), hopefully a near FTL spacecraft sometime in the 22nd century. It's the most interesting thing science has left and NASA and the other important space agencies (JAXA, RKA, ESA, CSA) give little money to it. Only China is really expanding.

People may not like it but it may take China making a serious push to establish a moon colony with a quasi-millitary motive to start another space race. Pretty much a new cold war.



Rovers are extremely limited in what they can do. They need to have people there to make the real breakthroughts.

The technology exists to go there now, quicker than the Rovers got there, it's just so expensive it could bankrupt a space program if it fails. Once the technology becomes better and cheaper, they'll go.


near FTL? lol what is near faster than light

Quote (TJI_KS @ Aug 23 2012 09:57am)
1) space travel isnt linear... everythign is moving and precise calculation is needed to make any kind of landing...
2) space travel isnt cheap... shielding for the radiation bombardment, fuel, mats, research and dev costs, tests, tech.
3) space travel is far and time isnt on our side... it takes time for a signal from earth to reach another planet...
-3a) for instance; a high-powered digital radio signal that was sent on 9 October 2008 towards Gliese 581 c, a large terrestrial extrasolar planet orbiting the red dwarf star Gliese 581. The signal is a digital time capsule containing 501 messages that were selected through a competition on the social networking site Bebo. The message was sent using the RT-70 radar telescope of Ukraine's National Space Agency. The signal will reach the planet Gliese 581 c in early 2029
(*)
4) it isnt our number one priority... our number one priority is finding a way to produce.. so we can export, regain losses over the past 12 years and renew our economy.


*source wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMessageFromEarth






e/ to anyone questioning the moon landing, get a high powered telescope and check out the sun bleached american flags... they are all white now... and one is knocked over..


there's a huge difference in distance to the planets in our system and the distance to even the nearest exoplanet...like huge huge
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Aug 24 2012 05:05pm
just because it takes longer to do the calculations makes you wonder how they did it?
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near FTL? lol what is near faster than light

Light is.
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Aug 28 2012 08:04am
What are the odds that neil armstrong dies right after I posted this thread

and here are some good quotes from the man about our failing society.


"For The United States, the leading space faring nation for nearly half a century, to be without carriage to low Earth orbit and with no human exploration capability to go beyond Earth orbit for an indeterminate time into the future, destines our nation to become one of second or even third rate stature"

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America doesn't even have to try, it just comes so naturally.
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Aug 28 2012 11:01am
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Aug 24 2012 09:06pm)
Light is.


ofc but i foud it odd he didn't just say light speed or near c or something
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