actually, im not even arguing that events are random, I'm pointing out that events are random. (meaning they arent controlled by god)

if you guys want to side with the minority of physicists who think quantum mechanics isnt random, by all means do so

also piddlewiffle is having trouble grasping this concept:

just because you can't prove something 100%, doesn't mean its not right. really, you cant prove anything.

you cant prove that im the on typing these post and not infact the very god youre arguing in favor of



the most annoying part about this thread is my first post used the were "suggests", which in very conservative word and do you know what it means? suggests means SUGGESTS


For example, quantum mechanics suggests that you're wrong. hey, what do you, that statement still applies and i'm still right. cool stuff

This post was edited by novocane on Feb 28 2012 09:11pm

you are the only one being ignorant here. using quantum mechanics to disprove gods will is about as helpful as using the taste of peppermints to explain how cars are made.

im not disproving anyones will

piffle said god controls events

i said quantum events are more than likely random

you guys cant seem to draw the line between the two for whatever reason

ill try and explain so you can understand

if god controls events, then he would control quantum events. if he controls quantum events, they wouldnt be random. however, they more than likely are random. hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, what does that tell you?

you are the one that can't draw the line between them. he mentioned god and you tried to disprove a faith based idea with a scientific idea. they are two concepts that cannot be intertwined. you are trying to explain the unexplainable.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Feb 28 2012 10:47pm

Dude, if you wish to take it literally quantum mechanics STATES there is NO RANDOMNESS. That everything that happens occurs based on influences of tangible interactions. Basicly summarizing that if you can identify all the things that are infuencing, EVERY outcome can be precisely predicted. Futher more even your own thoughts are not random or even of your own free will, but are just reactions to all the things interacting with them down to the quantum level.

This is not a new idea that just popped up last weekend,

Einstein wrote: just as a stone rolling down-hill does not choose to do so, neither can a person choose their thoughts and decisions – we can only 'feel' that we so choose.

I personally have trouble digesting that, and I believe in "Free will".

You just have to make your own "Leap"

This post was edited by FullArcFG on Feb 29 2012 07:18pm

youre understanding of what happen is widely skewed

I never said anything about disproving faith or god

and he didnt mention god, he mentions god controlling things

im not pulling this idea out of a hat, the idea that the randomness of quantum mechanics suggests against determinism has long been established. just type determinism into wikipedia and scroll down:






you need to read up on your quantum physics because youre mistaken

Sorry Bro, you are confusing Quantum Probability with Random action. Just because we can't know with certainty where something is when we measure its properties, does not mean that if we knew all the influence upon it we wouldn't
know EXACTLY where it is. I am far from an expert in that field, but a simple search on the internet, or google some Videos from Steven Hawkings or Brian Greene and you'll see I am not making this up.

Fact is, if you wish to go Pure Science, there is no Randomness, there is no Free will, everything down to your very thoughts is already set in motion. Free will and time are all an illusion, albiet a persistent one. The future has already happened, and the Past has yet to occur based on your motion relative to those events.

I don't whole hartedly accept these scientific "facts"..... but thats my leap

p.s. no matter whether you believe in God or not, it is a proper noun and should be capitolized, unless you don't concern yourself with litteracy

This post was edited by FullArcFG on Mar 1 2012 05:58pm

so i've read novocane posts and i will gladly for his/her tuition to attend to any school

edit: would benefit from it the most

This post was edited by hq78 on Mar 1 2012 06:04pm

heres one example of quantum randomness:

"Radioactive decay is a stochastic (i.e., random) process at the level of single atoms, in that, according to quantum theory, it is impossible to predict when a given atom will decay."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decay

and also where a particle will be when we collapse a probability wave is random (although probabilistic).

and no i dont believe in typing every sentence with proper punctuation because im aware that this is the internet



its funny how people keep acting like im making this up. its well documented that quantum mechanics suggests against any kind of determinism

like i said before, just type determinism into wikipedia and scroll down to quantum mechanics:

"Thus, the world of quantum physics casts reasonable doubt on the traditional determinism that is so intuitive in classical, Newtonian physics. At the small scales, our reality does not seem to be absolutely determined."