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Feb 4 2012 12:54pm
Quote (novocane @ Feb 4 2012 08:41am)
there is no time when you're traveling at c


Why is there no time??
There's no time for an external observer, not for the person traveling at c.

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and velocity does affect time relative to another observer;


But that is exactly what I just said:

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There is a time dilation when 2 particles are not in the same momentum


What are you not understanding?


Also show me said tests that prove it in reality.
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Feb 4 2012 12:57pm
Quote (novocane @ Feb 4 2012 08:53am)
how do you get that "im pretending to troll" from me telling you to stop trolling

are you completely illiterate or only 70%?


Because you related ideologies with laws of physics.
Which both are in total different paragraphs and have no connection whatsoever.

Parents ideologies have got nothing to do with laws of the universe as you call them man.
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Feb 4 2012 01:04pm
Quote (omghacks2 @ Feb 4 2012 01:54pm)
Why is there no time??
There's no time for an external observer, not for the person traveling at c.




no, time doesn't exist for the person traveling at c


and


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2%80%93Keating_experiment

relativity is very real, whether you choose to accept it or not. GPS satellites and high speed airplane clocks all have to be synchronized for it


and you can see the mass effects in cyclotron accelerators

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron#Relativistic
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Because you related ideologies with laws of physics.
Which both are in total different paragraphs and have no connection whatsoever.

Parents ideologies have got nothing to do with laws of the universe as you call them man.


youre the one who related the two
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Feb 4 2012 01:05pm
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There is a time dilation when 2 particles are not in the same momentum
There is not a time dilation when 2 particles are in the same momentum

No it is not possible to travel back in time and kiss your grand grand mother
Yes its possible to see the past and look at your grand grand mother

..Or it would be assuming you can travel faster than the speed of light.

There is NO TIME DILATION traveling at the speed of light.
Speed doesn't affect clocks, Einstein was wrong.. Or prove me wrong.


http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v3/n12/abs/nphys778.html
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Feb 4 2012 01:21pm
here do some math:



what happens when v = c?
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Feb 4 2012 01:31pm
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What are you linking? A paragraph of words?
That test you gotta pay to have access from what I can tell.

Can you please link me a test that you actually read yourself? Or at least that I can read without paying?


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youre the one who related the two


Quote (novocane @ Feb 4 2012 08:35am)
you're an idiot

they aren't ideologies, they are physical laws of the universe


You did, see?
And try to be more coherent in your replies.

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no, time doesn't exist for the person traveling at c


It DOES exist.
Travel at the speed of light then come to stop and the clock will show exactly the same time as yours.
Not when it's moving at the speed of light and you try to measure it.
Prove me wrong please.

Light/speed of light only affects obvservers.

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That link doesn't work.

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relativity is very real, whether you choose to accept it or not.  GPS satellites and high speed airplane clocks all have to be synchronized for it


lol hilarious how basic you can be
I've already explained why they need to do it in this thread, please read for better understanding.
Its got nothing to do with special relativity, its very simple.

Again, time dilation exists in between 2 particles not in the same momentum.
Sattelites are not in the same momentum as you or their receivers.

Their clock is adjusted every second or so, its not a constant clocking speed.
Speed doesnt affect time of the object itself which is traveling.

This post was edited by omghacks2 on Feb 4 2012 01:35pm
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Feb 4 2012 01:42pm
Quote (novocane @ Feb 4 2012 09:21am)
here do some math:

http://www.esotericscience.com/timedilation.gif

what happens when v = c?


Do you actually know anything about that equation?
That is used for the observer WHILE the particle is moving.

It doesn't tell you anything about when a particle comes to a stop.
It doesn't tell anything about the time a particle is registering on itself.

It uses "time" in its own meaning of word as a constant. Or assumes it.

On a side note: It could even be applied by the particle itself towards you and pretending the particle was nuts, she could think that you were the one moving instead.

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Feb 4 2012 02:22pm
Quote (omghacks2 @ Feb 4 2012 01:31pm)
What are you linking? A paragraph of words?
That test you gotta pay to have access from what I can tell.

Can you please link me a test that you actually read yourself? Or at least that I can read without paying?


Just google time dilation experiments. It's really not hard

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html

This post was edited by Derkaderk on Feb 4 2012 02:23pm
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Just google time dilation experiments. It's really not hard

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html


Those tests have got nothing to do with speed. Or Einstein's speed of ligth theory.

But anyhow (talking about time dilation anyway),
Im septic about those results, matching their calculations that well out of nanoseconds difference, when a they had to fly up to the correct altitude first, and that would be influencing the results already according to their theory. And many other things they didn't even mention about the flight that could influence results, like the planet electromagnetic field.
There's just too many factors that could influence an inaccurate flight like that, especially on the gravitational test.

I'll have to go ahead and assume those results as fake for the sakes of being famous (for example)

Now back to where we were, what makes YOU believe that speed of light nulls time?



This post was edited by omghacks2 on Feb 4 2012 03:00pm
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