I like it. I guess I never thought that positing a deity as the supreme creator doesn't really answer any questions. It just changes the question. If we suppose some deity exists, then we're left with the question of through what means did he do anything? How does that work? Ah, the insatiable curiosity of the scientist.

Should've added another option...Nature.

Y'know those freaky things which that supposed "god" fella does?
Nature.

Y'know the scary, damning, fire-from-the-sky destruction which that supposed "god" fella sends down?
Nature.

Y'know what created life?
Nature.

Y'know what caused the "cambrian explosion"? (I haven't got a clue wtf that even is but hey, I know the answer well enough to satisfy my curiosity!)
Nature.

Y'know what really happens when we reach the end of our life cycle?
Nature.

Y'know what really causes boils & sores? No, it's not a bearded man in the sky, can you guess the answer?
Bad hygiene.
Oh and, that's right..
Nature.

Before jumping to the conclusion that a mythical being did something, try seeing if nature (an everyday occuring force which we can see, touch, taste, smell, you name it) could be responsible first..

It's fine for people to worship, hey, everyone needs a hobby, try worshipping the true power-house force in this universe though for she's a vengeful, angry bitch who doesn't like being scorned.
Nature - responsible for our world & all of the fucked up things on & in it.

I swear, if I were to ever make the choice to take up religion, i'd be a druid.
Atleast their god is real.

This post was edited by Wickedry on Dec 23 2011 03:37pm

Since it is equally likely, I say it was the ghost of Charles Darwin

name one case where a supernatural claim was put to test and deemed plausible


lol'd @ "unexplained" rapid evolution



also, what makes you think this Impersonal Force" is actually a Being capable of remembering every little organism of a certain species in order to judge them for their behavior?

I agree with Freud on this one, God is a projection of the mind onto the inorganic.

This post was edited by Wyrmvater on Dec 23 2011 05:41pm

The cambrian explosion happened over ~50million years.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG 50 MILLION YEARS IS?!

And we're not talking about going from single-celled organisms to 100ton dinosaurs in 50 million years, we're talking about going from lesser complex multi-celled organisms into things like worms, clams, and starfish. If I recall correctly, nothing that developed in the cambrian era had bone, jaws, limbs, fins, teeth, etc...

You're allowed to include complexity in your explanation for what caused something if by adding complexity you actually create explanatory power. For example, a simple quantum mechanical system (let's say the wave function for the position of an electron in a hydrogen atom) is fairly complex, mathematically speaking. However, it creates several pieces of explanatory power. It tells us allowed energy states and angular momentums for that electron. It tells us the probability that the electron's position will be located within the nucleus (this probability is very low, but a form of radiation known as electron capture can and does happen).

Adding a god does not create explanatory (it merely shifts the problem of "then how did That get created?" one step further away from where we are now) but it does add enormous amounts of complexity.

Thing is, also when we are debating the possibility of a god outside this universe, which seems so popular nowadays (and not without a reason), we have to keep in mind it's equally possible for the deity to be conscious and complex (in an unexplicable way) in its actions as it is possible for an infinitely existing universe where coincidental, but a possible events are able to initiate the Bing Bang. The way you want things to be; explicable, does not make their nature such that they have more, or less, explanatory value. It's an intrinsic thing, where you cannot apply assumptions of the most basic things having the most explanatory power.

I know that this might be like "we don't know, it must be God", but if it is so, it's how it is? The way you, me or scientists want it to be plays no difference.

This post was edited by Ocen on Dec 25 2011 01:30pm