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Nov 27 2011 06:47am
Right. Legit questions that everyone asks. And science needs to answer them. IF science dictates that cars are no longer of value to the continuum of the specie, then man would have to learn to adhere to the law just like in any society.
I've spoken to some folks, they said, "I will NEVER give up my car!" From where are they deriving this thought process? Social behavior would change radically and would have to in order to adhere to the laws of nature/science.
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Nov 27 2011 07:37am
Concerning war.
It is the single most wasteful/harmful social aspect of man, and also the most profitable. When I think of the man hours, the mind power, the resources used to create just one single bomb, when I see how it is ultimately connected to me, when I hear the aftermath, the families torn up, the land and livestock inadvertently destroyed....
How much goes into make a smart bomb? It isn't just a person sitting on an assembly line. Its quite possibly, millions of people. Millions of humans, developing ways to kill each other off, and destroy that which sustains him.
Think about the computerization that goes into a bomb. Just the motherboard alone , and with it's related industries connected to it?

Plastics, oil, metals, but how were these materials acquired? How many peoples hands are in drilling the oil? How many in creating the oil refineries? How many hands build the supplies these folks need to do their job?
And how many folks supply those folks who supply the other folks to do their job. If you are a chip maker, its possible you are a bomb builder. If you are a plastic provider, it's possible you are a bomb builder.
If you are a road builder, quite possible you've paved the way for these folks to get to their jobs to build a bomb.

Once you make war unaffordable, then man will discontinue this behavior. Once you take away the profit, then there isn't a reason to have war, there's no tactical advantage or monetary/reward acquisition - only loss.
Take the profit out of man, and man will stop profiting off of socially unacceptable behavior.

It isn't like two leaders are juveniles fighting over a stick of bubble gum. Can they not work out there differences? No. Not when there is profit or power involved.
What gives a man authority over another man to send him into the line of fire? Besides the obvious illusions of patriotism? Land. Man. Dominates. Land. He negligibly controls quality of life, through the control of food/water/resources.
That's how a few men can dominate billions of people. So the solution is to not allow a man to own more than he can use in his lifetime. Then there is absolutely no possibility that he can become a threat, because he simply doesn't have that type of authority or control over other men.

Every vet I've ever spoken to, regrets war. They question it now, looking back. They suffer loss. They suffer from illnesses, suicide perhaps. How does it come to be?
A government of a few men, declare war against a nation, for whatever their reasonings. Who gains? A population freed? No. Just an exchange of ownership. An exchange of authority over the nation/people.
Follow the profit, and you understand why war exists. But very few reap the rewards from it. Most suffer in ways that I don't want to imagine.

And as we go about our day to day lives, seemingly not a part of what goes on with war, we neglect to see how we are all ultimately connected to it. And yet, it's all perfectly normal to most.
I find myself not being able to sleep at night. Spinning during the day. I struggle with it. I wrestle it all day. Looking out my window I see all this *stuff* and I see how it is all related to everything else.
Even war. I choose to carry this burden. If we all did our part and carried just a little bit, I think humanity can change.




-Z

This post was edited by anonplanz on Nov 27 2011 07:46am
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Nov 28 2011 09:15pm
Greed is evil.


as is this thread.


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Nov 29 2011 12:36am
The fallen sin nature of man.

We picked from the tree in the garden of Eden.
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Nov 29 2011 04:35am
Quote (Torm1 @ Nov 29 2011 02:36am)
The fallen sin nature of man.

We picked from the tree in the garden of Eden.


That's what leadership wants you to believe. That's it's somehow your fault for eating off a fictitious random tree in some romantic novel about the creation of life on a random planet in the universe. Like somehow earth is so significant among the seemingly endless possibilities of life elsewhere. Guess what? It's not real. But man will continue down this road of a romantic super story, and tie up all the loose ends he incapable of answering logically, by a mere breath of a word. How quaint.

And I thought we had established that greed is a response to scarcity? Blinks repeatedly. Oh well. Logic and religion don't belong in the same post.

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Nov 29 2011 01:13pm
Oh god lol...

I don't even know where to start here :rofl:
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Nov 30 2011 07:46am
Quote (anonplanz @ Nov 23 2011 05:06am)
Many people will blame man's way to be on the way things are in the world.
But it is simple to clear the haze that blinds peoples ideologies with a simple scenario.
Now keep in mind this scenario is a bit far fetched, as resources are ultimately finite, however with proper use
of land and technology, man can peacefully exist, and sustain itself for as long as the earths conditions remain viable.

Scenario:

We live on a massive island of sand. And this sand will never ever run out. It's useful in every single aspect in our lives.
So useful in fact that we eat it, we drink it, we sustain, we build, we wash, we do all the things that man needs to sustain itself,
with this never ending supply of sand....
One day, a greedy man came to me with force and said, "Hey you! That sand! It's mine!"
I looked at him perplexed and I said calmly, "Sure, take as much as you need"

(you can laugh now)

So the concept that there is enough, dictates if greed exists or not. Having enough, means you really don't care if people are stealing it, it never runs out. And why would people steal it anyway, if they had enough of their own in the first place? The people of the island would frown upon this behavior as non productive, and socially unacceptable.

But in walks man in the real world, who dominates and hoards land, stealing its water supplies and food supplies and resources, and criminally regulates them through labor (slavery) systems. And not all jobs are that great, in fact many jobs are not available to many people. And rather than use technology to abandon mundane labor forever, they opt not to, and keep a system going whereby there are a few winners and MANY MANY losers. All fighting each other, for their own little piece of life.

This is what creates greed. In fact, this is what creates most social issues, including and not limited to war, child trafficking, drug trades, criminally corrupted governments, medical industries, piss poor educational systems etc.

If man used technology properly, and educated it's people to sustain themselves, rather than leading a life of labor on the hamster wheel, to sustain institutions of corrupt power, man could work for an hour a day or less, and sustain his entire family with ease. Through automation, robotics, scientific advancements in energy and made to last and sustain products and automated services, man doesn't have to work very hard to enjoy a GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE.

But I digress. The military men will opt to defend their nations flags, under which tyranny is a part of the grand scheme, and the police will opt to protect and serve, but only themselves and their own institutions, the lawyers and judges will create lucrative lives out of sacrificial lambs, the governments and leadership will continue to be led by a monetary system, and endorse fully the "some have it some don't" game, because it keeps them in power over people, despite that most of us suffer from common things that are completely avoidable.

How did it get this way? Hmmm.. A better question is, why on earth is it STILL This way?

Sincerely,
-Z


the middle east has more sand than us; war is inevitable
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Dec 1 2011 04:38am
i feel bad for you, you're living in lala land


your passion is quite the funny one, you remind me of nietzsche except ur doing it wrong

This post was edited by Wyrmvater on Dec 1 2011 04:39am
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Dec 1 2011 05:24am
Quote (Wyrmvater @ Dec 1 2011 03:38am)
i feel bad for you, you're living in lala land


your passion is quite the funny one, you remind me of nietzsche except ur doing it wrong


slam lol

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Jan 4 2012 02:34am
Any counter argument NativeNation or WyrmVater? I mean, hell I can say the same thing to a scientist supporting any theory, but if I don't have anything to back up the argument, I'd look like an idiot. OH! I guess you guys are idiots.
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