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Oct 8 2011 08:52am
Woah. o.o
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Oct 14 2011 10:29am
It took three whole weeks to figure it out, but relativity is confirmed and all is right with the world again.

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27260/

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That's impressive but it's not to say the problem is done and dusted. Peer review is an essential part of the scientific process and this argument must hold its own under scrutiny from the community at large and the OPERA team in particular.

If it stands up, this episode will be laden with irony. Far from breaking Einstein's theory of relatively, the faster-than-light measurement will turn out to be another confirmation of it.
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Oct 14 2011 02:46pm
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It took three whole weeks to figure it out, but relativity is confirmed and all is right with the world again.

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27260/


I highly doubt the team would forget to take into account GPS-relativistic effects...my high school physics class even did problems regarding GPS-> Earth relativity.
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I highly doubt the team would forget to take into account GPS-relativistic effects...my high school physics class even did problems regarding GPS-> Earth relativity.

And yet the GPS effects predict the exact time difference witnessed? We'll have to see what the OPERA team says about it.
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Oct 14 2011 10:28pm
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And yet the GPS effects predict the exact time difference witnessed? We'll have to see what the OPERA team says about it.


I bet the other 79 papers published last week accounted for a very similar time difference as well.

I'm just saying that GPS-relativistic effects are common knowledge in physics so I doubt the team of PhD's at one of the most advanced physics labs would forget about them.
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Oct 15 2011 09:05pm
Even if they say the laws not broken it still makes me mad that they can say it's impossible when clearly they don't have a clue if it is or not. Who knows what else they'll find, how many of these accepted theories will be broken.
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Oct 15 2011 10:39pm
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Even if they say the laws not broken it still makes me mad that they can say it's impossible when clearly they don't have a clue if it is or not. Who knows what else they'll find, how many of these accepted theories will be broken.

Even if the data is legitimate, the law is not broken. Your in-car GPS still works. The world's entire satellite infrastructure still works. Both systems rely on principles of general relativity in order to work correctly. If the data is legitimate, the theory will need to be modified, but in many cases it is still a good approximation to reality, much in the same way that we can still use Newton's Theory of Gravitation even though we know it's incorrect.
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Even if the data is legitimate, the law is not broken. Your in-car GPS still works. The world's entire satellite infrastructure still works. Both systems rely on principles of general relativity in order to work correctly. If the data is legitimate, the theory will need to be modified, but in many cases it is still a good approximation to reality, much in the same way that we can still use Newton's Theory of Gravitation even though we know it's incorrect.


I could care less about now, it's only a matter of time before humans break the speed of light. It will happen, who knows how long it will take, but it's stupid to say things are impossible when we just aren't advanced enough to do it. How many things that people thought was impossible was eventually done? They shouldn't say something is impossible, because in 100-300 years when something is proved possible. This applies to much more than just the speed of light.
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I could care less about now, it's only a matter of time before humans break the speed of light. It will happen, who knows how long it will take, but it's stupid to say things are impossible when we just aren't advanced enough to do it. How many things that people thought was impossible was eventually done? They shouldn't say something is impossible, because in 100-300 years when something is proved possible. This applies to much more than just the speed of light.


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I could care less about now, it's only a matter of time before humans break the speed of light. It will happen, who knows how long it will take, but it's stupid to say things are impossible when we just aren't advanced enough to do it. How many things that people thought was impossible was eventually done? They shouldn't say something is impossible, because in 100-300 years when something is proved possible. This applies to much more than just the speed of light.


@ bold - /any argument

love using it to shut people up
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