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You act as if the big bang theory has been disproven, it has not, and until it has been this entire argument is invalid. Even outside of that the correlation between big bang and evolution is miniscule at best

lol, thats like saying god has not been disproven so its proven. u do know that to disprove something u have to be in all places at once right? because u could always say god is in heaven and thats proof that he exists. but u would have to be everywhere u can be to disprove somthing, remember that ;) :) unless something is proven it is not real science
Not at all, I'm saying that you are making conclusions based on something that has yet to be proven/disproven and that those conclusions are therefore not evidence since their basis is not even known.

Something hasn't been observed to happen therefore it never has happened. Logical fallicy, not evidence.

sorry science = observation and testing therefore that is not science :( if u cant prove it in front of you it will remain a theory and never be science. maybe a nice imagination at work but nothing more.
I siad logical, not scientific, your statement is still a logical fallacy which means it is nowhere near the realm of evidence.

I could use this same argument to ask why people in the middle ages didn't drive cars, it has no weight as evidence and is speculative at best.

ur missing the point :mellow: plus it makes alot more sense that if theres not much human recorded history , humans dont go that far back which means evolution isnt what they say it is or just never happend.
No, I'm not missing the point. Recorded history is a matter of development and would not show itself until there was an ability/desire/need to do it just like every other development in human history, and if you say "why didn't it happen sooner?" why can't I say "why didn't Jesus have a chrysler?"

The fossil record actually shows the oposite of this statement.

u have no idea what ur talking about. the only thing the fossils show is that something died, nothing more. no way to tell when it lived. u do understand for evolution to be even considered possible u would have to have alot of very similar fossils to show transition between beings, yet nothing of that sort has been found.
" the only thing the fossils show is that something died, nothing more" => gross oversimplification
"for evolution to be even considered possible u would have to have alot of very similar fossils to show transition between beings, yet nothing of that sort has been found" => assumption at best



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You act as if the big bang theory has been disproven, it has not, and until it has been this entire argument is invalid. Even outside of that the correlation between big bang and evolution is miniscule at best

lol, thats like saying god has not been disproven so its proven. u do know that to disprove something u have to be in all places at once right? because u could always say god is in heaven and thats proof that he exists. but u would have to be everywhere u can be to disprove somthing, remember that unless something is proven it is not real science
Not at all, I'm saying that you are making conclusions based on something that has yet to be proven/disproven and that those conclusions are therefore not evidence since their basis is not even known.
-so whats wrong with acting like that? thats my view on the big bang along with thousands of other scientists. not everyone believes in the big bang. some believe in the big crunch. other believe in the big freeze. couple more theories on the origin of everything. i personally prefer to stick with the god theory since it explains everything with perfect sense. purpose of man, purpose of creation, even includes things beyond this world (afterlife), miracles, etc. things science cant even deal with. im alright with science but i choose to go further than just the regular world.

Something hasn't been observed to happen therefore it never has happened. Logical fallicy, not evidence.

sorry science = observation and testing therefore that is not science if u cant prove it in front of you it will remain a theory and never be science. maybe a nice imagination at work but nothing more.
I siad logical, not scientific, your statement is still a logical fallacy which means it is nowhere near the realm of evidence.

-logic doesnt always lead to truth, for example logically in the theory of evolution mules are not suppose to exist (female horse, male donkey). but they do since it can be explained with science. logic is good up to a certain point, but doesnt always show truth because of hidden factors involved. logic only goes as deep as u can think. good example of this is playing chess. if both ppl used logic they wont end in a draw, pretty sure one will go further and see deeper into the situation.

I could use this same argument to ask why people in the middle ages didn't drive cars, it has no weight as evidence and is speculative at best.

ur missing the point plus it makes alot more sense that if theres not much human recorded history , humans dont go that far back which means evolution isnt what they say it is or just never happend.
No, I'm not missing the point. Recorded history is a matter of development and would not show itself until there was an ability/desire/need to do it just like every other development in human history, and if you say "why didn't it happen sooner?" why can't I say "why didn't Jesus have a chrysler?"
-yes matter of development, look at how fast we've developed in the past 100 years ;) and ur telling me for 398,000 years humans just ran naked all day and had no discoveries? (theyr modern man, not ape man, which means same brain capacity). and if u think that they didnt advance because they had no need of it is totally illogical, need does not cause u to advance, discovery has nothing to do with need, u discover things without even trying. a 400,000 year period without any discoveries is completely illogical to me and is totaly untrue. did jesus need a chrysler back then? is that y we have one nowadays? because people before needed it? is that really what lead to the discovery? or was it a chain of discoveries one after the other, making new technology possible? ;)
The fossil record actually shows the oposite of this statement.

u have no idea what ur talking about. the only thing the fossils show is that something died, nothing more. no way to tell when it lived. u do understand for evolution to be even considered possible u would have to have alot of very similar fossils to show transition between beings, yet nothing of that sort has been found.
" the only thing the fossils show is that something died, nothing more" => gross oversimplification
"for evolution to be even considered possible u would have to have alot of very similar fossils to show transition between beings, yet nothing of that sort has been found" => assumption at best

-ok for this one i am waiting for u to explain to the fullest what a fossil really shows?
c-14 dating is inaccurate to a great extent
geographic collumn is a complete assumption assuming that everything is billions of years old yet there is no real evidence showing it.

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hey man

i drive a chysler.
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not really because if its from ur brain u would control who u love and who u hate.  for example u could easily love someone u hated and hate someone u loved, not possible because some kind of event has to happen to influence that.  u really thing u have no free will? u and a robot would be the same?  morality is not in the brain since only humans have it.  no other animals show morality or any sign of it yet they still have a brain. 

u cant possible think that "you" is only just ur brain?  ur brain does things u dont even know about, lol how is that the "you" in you?


You didnt understand what i said, i meant the TERMS such as free will/morality/love there all made up.. love there no such thing as love, your heart is a organ it doesnt do anything besides pump blood, love is just something in your brain that likes something a shit load (cant really define love have yet to find it), Morality is a term humans created if we were born in the woods we would act like any other animal. And as far as animals not having it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgjyhKN35g
PROVE, since you made the statement, no other animals show "morality" or feeling towards other living things, PROVE to me no other animals have morality, but we do.

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The more they try to prove evolution is real by science, they're just proving the Bible is real :)
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The more they try to prove evolution is real by science, they're just proving the Bible is real :)


far from the truth, but i wouldnt expect you too agree
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human teeth found in a layer of soil dated 400k years old, evolution has to be rewritten yet once again. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_ancient_teeth

amazing how people see how mistaken they were about most things in evolution as they make new discoveries thru time.

the obviousness theyr not considering here is that those teeth were from someone that drowned in the great flood and not really someone that lived 410958 years ago.

the theory has always said man originated from africa, now it will be rewritten as to say man originated from israel.


The aspect that makes science so much superior is that it is self-correcting based on the available evidence.

Religion makes observations, and asks how the evidence can be used to support its preconceived notion meanwhile discounting evidence that suggests to the contrary. Science makes observations and see's where the evidence actually leads. Theories are explanations for a collections of facts. Animals changing over time is a fact, evolution is the explanation as to why. If new evidence arrises, the theory will be corrected to account for this evidence or scrapped altogether for a superior and even more well-supported theory.

The fact that religion remains stagnant on issues is actually a grave weakness.
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science doesnt consist of theories either because any1 can make any theory :(


Some random kids random theory about something is not in any way shape or form the same thing as a formal scientific theory. Actual scientific theories undergo a lot of testing and peer review before being generally accepted as theory. Just because something isn't a scientific LAW does not mean it isn't science.

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btw heres 5 evidence against evolution.

1. evolution needs a big bang otherwise it doesnt work. - big bang cant happen for many reasons, one being that if it was a spinning dot as they say, every galaxy, planet and sun should be spinning in the same direction (conservation of angular momentum) http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/solarsys/angmom.html , another being the fact its impossible for nothing to explode and create everything all by itself (action-reaction-cause-effect).

2. life has never been observed to appear from lifeless rock

3. no1 has ever seen a positive mutation that would lead to macro-evolution.

4. recorded human history only leads back to about 4 thousand years go, if modern man is 400,000 years old y have we started writing/recording so late?

5. The oldest fossils already found are of fully formed beings and show now transition from one to another.

;) good luck


1. What the hell does the big bang have to do with evolution? The big bang is a theory describing the origins and development of the universe as a whole. It largely deals with things such as protons, electrons and smaller particles as well as the development of galaxies and large structures in the universe. (also... the big bang theory doesn't say jack about how existence exploded out of nothing. it simply tries to explain the evolution of the universe after those first couple billionths of a second.) Evolution is focused entirely on describing the development and diversity of the many species on this planet.

2. I suppose this is true. A handful of planets/moons that we have barely explored is certainly proof that its impossible for life to form under the proper conditions with out some kind of higher being's involvement. I've never won the lottery either so i'm pretty sure it's impossible... :rolleyes:

4. What is the oldest piece of paper you have with your own writing on it? Were you not growing and developing before this scrap of paper with a scribble was created?

5. I'm not that well informed about the fossil record but just because we don't have a fossil from every single generation between us and monkeys or birds and dinosaurs doesn't mean this link doesn't exist. Fossil's are extremely rare, for all the many many millions of species that have ever lived on the planet we have a very low % of their fossils.

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-yes matter of development, look at how fast we've developed in the past 100 years ;)  and ur telling me for 398,000 years humans just ran naked all day and had no discoveries? (theyr modern man, not ape man, which means same brain capacity). and if u think that they didnt advance because they had no need of it is totally illogical, need does not cause u to advance, discovery has nothing to do with need, u discover things without even trying. a 400,000 year period without any discoveries is completely illogical to me and is totaly untrue. did jesus need a chrysler back then? is that y we have one nowadays? because people before needed it? is that really what lead to the discovery? or was it a chain of discoveries one after the other, making new technology possible?


Have you ever heard of exponential growth? Look at how fast our species has changed in the last 100 years compared to the previous few thousand years. Pretty amazing isn't it.

Today the majority of the worlds population can access global news minutes or hours after it happens and talk to anyone else with access to a computer almost anywhere on the planet. A couple hundred years ago it took weeks or months to get news about the rest of the world or to send a letter a couple thousand miles. A couple thousand years ago you would likely never receive any information in your entire lifetime on the happenings of the world just a few hundred miles away.

We've gone from using basic tools made of stone and bronze for hunting to creating more advanced devices and using animals for farming and agriculture. Now in the past century we've developed complex devices and machinery to gather our food thousands of people at a time.

The growth and technology curve starts out slowly. Why would you expect the same growth rate in technology for the last hundred years as you would expect in the last 2,000, or 400,000. It's pretty difficult to create new things and discover technologies when the extent of your math and science knowledge is "myself and my tribe will die if i don't bring them enough food."
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Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 03:46pm)
btw heres 5 evidence against evolution.

1. evolution needs a big bang otherwise it doesnt work. - big bang cant happen for many reasons, one being that if it was a spinning dot as they say, every galaxy, planet and sun should be spinning in the same direction (conservation of angular momentum) http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/solarsys/angmom.html , another being the fact its impossible for nothing to explode and create everything all by itself (action-reaction-cause-effect).

2. life has never been observed to appear from lifeless rock

3. no1 has ever seen a positive mutation that would lead to macro-evolution.

4. recorded human history only leads back to about 4 thousand years go, if modern man is 400,000 years old y have we started writing/recording so late?

5. The oldest fossils already found are of fully formed beings and show now transition from one to another.

;) good luck


LOL.
where in evolution does it say that life appeared from lifeless rock. there was an experiment done to show how amino acids can form together given the proper conditions similar to those billions of years ago.

the oldest fossils already found show no transition? how so. theres a range of hominids found ranging from 1.5 mya - 4.5 mya

do you have any idea of what mitochrondria and chloroplasts are thought of as being?

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