Quote (nobrow @ 17 Dec 2010 21:57)

"Organic" fruit and veggies are worse for you than pesticide, they have to use a more poisonous plant so that the insects don't eat it. There is a lecture from a professor at MIT on this if you care to look it up. Also why can you people not realize that GM food is necessary, the fish DNA makes the plants frost resistant.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 17 2010 10:15pm)

Maybe u can explain in furthur detail about that? I have never heard someone say that before; but u konw crops have their own defenses already in nature...

GM food is not nessessary. The growing seasons exist for more than one reason. Growing the same thing in the same place all year long can and will deplete the soil; and  Also the effects on health are staggering; and should not be ignored in this discussion. Even if GM food could yield enough to rest all of the worlds famine, what is the point if the food is going to kill us as fast as a famine would anyway? Sure starvation would be faster, but the point is, even if we get enough GM food for the entire world to eat and we were able to distribute it to everyone, is it really better for everyone; or just the company who has a patent on the seeds to grow them?

GM foods have not yet come close to solving the world hunger problem, and neither has organic food. The problem is not the amount of food, but rather our ability to distrubute it. GM foods are bad news for everyone; i would hope you have enough respect for yourself to take care of your own body.

Quote (nobrow @ 17 Dec 2010 22:19)

In order to keep insects from eating the crop, a more poisonous one must be used. The professor compared the chemicals, and if you wash your fruit/veggies before eating them there are more negative effects on the organic crops.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 17 2010 10:25pm)

ironic you should say that; im taking into consideration a lot more than 1 source for information. Theres a wonderful book called Seeds of Deception by Jeffery Smith which compiles all the research against GM foods and trust me when i say its a lot of information. It would be a good place for you to learn somthing. Its all very well cited. Some of the sources include Hardvard Research, The Lancet, and even Monstantos own research on the subject, which somehow Monsanto just seems to leave out...

And sure you can call me an idealist, but the difference is there is actually something we can do about this that will solve MANY problems.

Im sry that you believe everything the FDA tells you; there are the same people who told us cigarettes, agent orange, asbestos, and PCB's had no adverse health effects.
Whats even funnier is that the FDA has begun harassing raw dairy farmers; depsite the fact that raw milk from grassfed cows is not only cleaner, but way more nutrient dense than commerical pasturized milk. They believe its not safe to drink milk raw, but indeed the numbers should speak for themselves. The point is, the FDA puts the health of the american people 2nd to the interest of industry. Which is why GM seeds got approved without ANY human safety testing. And i am not kidding, to my knowledge, there have been absolutly no safety testing on humans; ever.

How can they say thats safe without any evidence to back it up? It would be like Ford telling you that you'll get better gas mileage in your car if you added half a pound of mashed potatos to every tank. There is obviously no research to back that up, but hey, Ford said it, it must be true.

Its sad to see people with such strong opinions on subjects of which they know very little. You opinion is based off of very little actual knowledge of what is going on. So i would recommend you read the book i talked about above

and by the way, ive asked a few times already, show me the potentionally good stuff; i want to know what it is since i obviously fail to see any at all.

Quote (Psycho- @ 18 Dec 2010 00:18)

like i said before of course its clear to see things are bad for us but that doesn't mean there is a real alternative. ill take the comment about the FDA feeding us lies as a conspiracy theorist bullcrap so no more responses for you since you think the government is out to get you and anything they say is a lie. have fun pretending like we have choices about these types of things on the scales we work with today.

Quote (AEtheric @ 18 Dec 2010 01:19)

I'm going to have to take sides with toothfairy on this one. The FDA is not always right, and it is always good to see two sides of the story.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 18 2010 01:36am)

its not a conspiracy when you have overwhemling research showing the complete opposite. The FDA failed to follow their own approval procedures. Even Monsantos research on safety says they're bad news.
I dont completely mistrust the FDA, but it is been shown to me MANY times that their first interest is industry, and second is actual health. I dont go to the FDA as a first source or final source of information. I think thats extremely irresponsible; it would be like saying the bible is fact because the offical bible writers said it was; even in the face of overwhemling objective observable evidence to show the reverse. A smart person doesnt rely on a single persons opinion or a single source of information; especially when that info has been shown to be false many many times.

And please, dont be so quick to dodge. After actually researching this, you would come to realize as i have that GM foods are bad news and you would probably never eat them either.

Have fun being another mindless ignoramus that are so abundant nowa days; lmk when you actually research this, maybe then you can have an educated opinion

Quote (Psycho- @ 18 Dec 2010 01:31)

like i said before of course the way foods are grown has a bad side but that doesn't mean you have another real choice. you can keep ranting about it being bad but there isn't a real alternative to current methods. driving cars is bad cause they have killed millions of people and that is an absolute fact....does that change your mind about driving because its dangerous? hell no it doesn't and you'll continue to drive knowing the risk just because its more convenient. you can keep saying its bad but there isn't a better option out there for now. let me know when your ideals find an answer instead of just being being words.