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Jun 5 2010 04:45pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 5 2010 05:42pm)
ignorant implying they lacked the knowledge. which is saying they need to go get said knowledge.

the only point i had to make for this whole thread was that people who do not learn this stuff and call it false is ridiculous.


Just provided you the definition of "theory" and "scientific theory", and the synonyms and antonyms of "theory". You have provided nothing but name-calling.
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Jun 5 2010 04:46pm
Chinlc, teltic, bigbody989, majorblood

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hi buddy. strange coincidence xD
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Jun 5 2010 07:29pm
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i say just this, I doubt there's a god because today's science proves that a lot of what's in the bible is false, like earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around... Also the fact that there are different religions, each with different sub beliefes, makes me doubt that any one of them would be right, but argueing about what happened in the beginning is just extremely pointless because it essentially has no relevance to here and now and its impossible to know for sure what did happen.  Maybe something really did come from nothing.  Maybe a god willed it to be.  Or maybe it actually was chuck norris.


Im referring to a diety and not a specific god....
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Jun 5 2010 07:40pm
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yeah it's completely off topic and stupid


Oh, and one of my points were what I posted once and quoted myself and bolded the second time. So not exactly off-topic :P
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Jun 5 2010 10:25pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 5 2010 09:04pm)
man created god. people need to get their head out of their ass. you people take all of 3 seconds to doubt the many years of work by the scientist involved in creating the theory. either get a education or gtfo you religious morons.


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Jun 6 2010 03:43am
Quote (Cadet133 @ Jun 5 2010 03:30pm)
If "NOTHING" is the most entropic ultimate symmetrical state then it would be plausible to say that "SOMETHING" cannot come from nothing without an input of energy of some sort. Perhaps the input of energy came from a diety of some sort. Some atheists would argue that there was never a nothing to begin with and that something already had existed that caused the big bang. Isn't that the same logic that creationists have that GOD already existed?


Let's look at a couple scientific (ya, remember that?) facts:

Energy can be neither created nor destroyed.

The universe was at one point the size of a large marble that was infinitely hot and infinitely dense/pressurized (and hypothetically contained the same matter-to-empty-space ratio which the universe still does).

The universe itself is the only thing ever to travel faster than the speed of light (about infinitely faster)

The universe is still growing (and presumably at the super-ridiculous-fast speed too)


What do these facts mean when considered together?

Nothing

But I reckon this thread is just another example in the history of humanity in how theists want to slap a 'God did it' stamp on it.

Since pretty much every non-humanitarian point religion has taught us in the last forever has been shown to be false, it's reasonable to say that they've got this wrong too.

What came before the Big Bang?

Probably a whole slew of shit we know very very little slash nothing about.

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Jun 6 2010 06:21am
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Im referring to a diety and not a specific god....


but just the fact that there are so many different beliefs make me doubtfull that any of them are right, including the belief in even a diety
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Jun 6 2010 08:04am
Quote (Interesting @ Jun 6 2010 07:43pm)
Let's look at a couple scientific (ya, remember that?) facts:

Energy can be neither created nor destroyed.

The universe was at one point the size of a large marble that wasinfinitelyhot and infinitely dense/pressurized (and hypothetically contained the same matter-to-empty-space ratio which the universe still does).

The universe itself is the only thing ever to travel faster than the speed of light (aboutinfinitely faster)

The universe is still growing (and presumably at the super-ridiculous-fast speed too)


What do these facts mean when considered together?

Nothing

But I reckon this thread is just another example in the history of humanity in how theists want to slap a 'God did it' stamp on it.

Since pretty much every non-humanitarian point religion has taught us in the last forever has been shown to be false, it's reasonable to say that they've got this wrong too.

What came before the Big Bang?

Probably a whole slew of shit we know very very little slash nothing about.


Agreed.
One thing though, its assumed that the universe is continuously expanding and contracting.

As for what came before a big bang (oh the many sex jokes that could be made) well assuming a big bang is just a black hole in reverse (yes very basic outlook) then surely as we all know that something can't be from nothing, it would stand to reason that a black hole in another universe creates a big bang in a new universe. Not yet theory or fact, just a personal musing.

This post was edited by angel_green69 on Jun 6 2010 08:05am
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Jun 6 2010 09:40am
tl;dr OP doesn't understand athiesm and posted this on his iPhone from church
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Jun 6 2010 02:21pm
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Agreed.
One thing though, its assumed that the universe is continuously expanding and contracting.

As for what came before a big bang (oh the many sex jokes that could be made) well assuming a big bang is just a black hole in reverse (yes very basic outlook) then surely as we all know that something can't  be from nothing, it would stand to reason that a black hole in another universe creates a big bang in a new universe. Not yet theory or fact, just a personal musing.


I wonder if black holes are gateways to other universes.
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