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Jun 6 2010 06:43pm
The analogy you used in your post was used in a video of how scientists believe the planet was created and how life began on earth, saw it in biology class.

The fact that we have not yet came across fossils between the things before and the current things cannot be overlooked. However, evolution can still stand on the ground that specie of the same kind differ from place to place, so you cannot really say that they have not adapted for their surroundings.

About the carbon dating, there are more accurate ways of doing this. Carbon is now only used to determine stuff from a few thousand years ago. Potassium is now being used to determine the age of older fossils.

Cells of the animal and plant kind can evolve. Look at stem cells, they can "turn" into any cell within the human body because they have not a specific function to preform yet. Using the analogy of an inanimate object is not the same as a living organism.

Religion itself has never been proven. The stuff they found from the time Jesus was have to lived cannot be certain, according to you saying that carbon dating is unreliable, and these artifacts were proven from that time using carbon dating. I do agree that "miracles" can in fact happen, and that something allows these to happen, but the fact of the matter is that no one human, or organism, cannot decide whether evolution or religion is true. We will all find out some day :)
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Jun 6 2010 07:16pm
Quote (slither @ Jun 7 2010 10:23am)
found one
http://i50.tinypic.com/2607f45.jpg


Nicely Put...

Quote (Anal_Destroyer @ May 19 2010 11:44am)
First of all, I'm not a creationist - and I'd like that religion not be a part of this discussion. Secondly, there are many very good arguments that absolutely refute all of your responses.


Quite to the contrary - I did the opposite of involving religion. What I did (or tried to do) was preempt any sort of discussion of religion, as it doesn't belong in this subforum.


Now you say this twice, which i assume means you think you're right. Sorry going to have to burst your bubble.
You bought up the idea of a designer, which assumes there is someone out there greater than us planning shit out for us - now if you be not talking religion, your talking crazy aliens that are massively brainy.
You also make reference to Darwin converting to Christianity, now do show me something that says that please.
Because i have this "The "Lady Hope Story", published in 1915, claimed that Darwin had reverted back to Christianity on his sickbed. The claims were repudiated by Darwin's children and have been dismissed as false by historians." Thank you wiki.
As far as i was aware Darwin was in fact a conflicted christian for a large part of his life, trying to have the beliefs about sciene he learnt as a boy (the miracle church based science) match up with his new found Theory.
However he eventually lost his faith in the church and thought of himself as more an agonist.
Not that im bringing up religion or anything.


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Jun 6 2010 08:12pm
explain this

god gave us free will

YET

he planned our entire existence and it will come to be

the fuck kind of free will is that?

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Jun 6 2010 11:15pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 6 2010 09:12pm)
explain this

god gave us free will

YET

he planned our entire existence and it will come to be

the fuck kind of free will is that?


That is two different conflicting religions.


Both Christian.

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Jun 6 2010 11:16pm
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That is two different conflicting religions.


same god different story. again fail for religion.
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Jun 6 2010 11:18pm
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same god different story. again fail for religion.


No, that's you failing at debate. Again.


Those are two separate views on how God and his word are portrayed. It's more like an opinion. Or do I have to explain the meaning of an opinion to you too?


What's with you having such hostility toward religion? Have an open mind O.o

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Jun 6 2010 11:27pm
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No, that's you failing at debate. Again.


Those are two separate views on how God and his word are portrayed. It's more like an opinion. Or do I have to explain the meaning of an opinion to you too?


What's with you having such hostility toward religion? Have an open mind O.o


uh let me know when committed christians are open to reason and logic and that day i'll care to really argue. its awfully boring trying to explain basic scientific principles are doubters when by all right they should have learned it in middle school.
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uh let me know when committed christians are open to reason and logic and that day i'll care to really argue. its awfully boring trying to explain basic scientific principles are doubters when by all right they should have learned it in middle school.


I have an open mind. lol.

But I'm also not a 100% committed Christian.

That doesn't mean you have to have a grudge on God and knock down every person that brings him up.

Thats just arrogant :P
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Jun 7 2010 12:32am
Quote (Chinlc @ Jun 7 2010 12:35am)
I have an open mind. lol.

But I'm also not a 100% committed Christian.

That doesn't mean you have to have a grudge on God and knock down every person that brings him up.

Thats just arrogant :P


it kind of does since its my choice. putting effort into religion is moronic and counter productive to a modern society. religious does nothing but hold back the mind and promote ignorance. so yes anyone who is religious kind of has it coming.
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Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 7 2010 01:32am)
it kind of does since its my choice. putting effort into religion is moronic and counter productive to a modern society. religious does nothing but hold back the mind and promote ignorance. so yes anyone who is religious kind of has it coming.


So your out to get anyone who has any affiliation with religion? Sounds pretty damn selfish to me.



Edit: And it would be COMPLETELY wrong if someone attacked you for your beliefs huh? Because your always right I assume?


Oh thats right, you're back by scientific theories.



Scientific theories or God. Either way you're believing in something that could be real but until proven, nobody knows. But to say one exists and the other doesn't is very hypocritical.

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