@ whoever was talking about the LHC (too lazy atm to go back and find it)

It has been mathematically proven that these micro black holes, SHOULD they appear, will be neutrally charged. Meaning they will NOT do anything besides exist.
I could spend time and effort finding and citing the papers written on the math, but like i said...I'm lazy atm.

thats the thing, we are overpopulated.
if we didnt need to consume as much it wouldnt be a issue. and we wouldnt pump as much waste back into the world.
and yes i actually have grown my own food before. not saying i grew it on a big scale. but i did grow it without any chemicals and it turned over fine, if not better.

and if anyone feels like vouching that i gave them fg for there opinion and pissing off a mod at the same time
u can do it here
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=38613517&f=169

It's the course of life.

People live, they live as best they can, then die.
I'm not saying we should stop fixing people, etc.

But people are so germaphobic now, look at H1N1, that they think every little outbreak is the next plague, or smallpox.



And you know what they were doing each day?
Working their asses off to make sure their family gets enough food, and they are protected.
Most of them lived their lives stronger and more motivationally that your average 80 year old person.
These people 30 years ago were DIRECTLY keeping themselves alive, no money involved. They didn't work, to get money, to get food/home
Their work WAS their food and home.

This post was edited by frogger_dude on Jan 2 2010 11:48pm

yeah i agree. there are papers n shit
but science is... well a lil f ed up
like look. most of what we know in science is theory based. and thousand of people have different theorys. you can find 100 papers on black holes being nutral, i can find 100 papers on blackholes being positive, and the other guy can find 100 papers about blackholes being negative.
science is theory based. its and idea that yes it does work and explains much, but what we know really is nothing.
its like trying to explain what happends when you die. no one truely knows, until you know

...What about the hole Global Warming conspiracy?

You do realize they released information saying the whole thing was almost as fake as it could get..The government just wanted more random research money.

That wouldn't help.

The nuclear fallout would kill everyone left.

The sun would be blocked out for years.

yeah that is 100% true, but you said we got along fine 3000 years ago without medicine
what i am trying to say is we did not do fine
we did bad-alright
we would have been doing fine if the average life span was 50-60
medicine is up there for one of the best creations, because now our average life span is 79.5...

This post was edited by rocky123465 on Jan 3 2010 12:00am

i think we just need to be more conservative with what we have

we need to do simple things like reuse and recycle, and i think things like bottled water are just worthless companies (except for supplying jobs)
i mean what is wrong with tap water, you dont need to drink it out of a plastic bottle. your also saving money, its like a win win situation.

i took an ecology course last semester and u would be surprised at what some products and things we are doing effect our environment
like what we have done to animals and ecosystems, some animals are nearly extinct and other habitats have been greatly affected just by dumb things like people throwing and dumping things into water because they dont feel the need to get rid of it properly

basically, i just feel like we need to crack down on the simple things are enforce problems more than we do

I hate to say this too...
But what good are people once they're out of "working age"

All they do is require time and money.

I love my grandparents as much as the next person, and a lot of people WILL disagree with this, but euthanasia might be a step we need to take the in future..especially if population becomes an even greater issue.

As far as I understood from what I've read (and I did look around, I like to see a few sides before I decide where I stand) the people who did the math used known cosmic events (the same ones used as the basis for the LHC experiment) and did studies as well as all their crazy physics tests, and were able to actually predict the outcome. They said the chances of these micro black holes manifesting were virtually nil to begin with, but if they did, they would not even be detectable on most levels, let alone harmful.

One thing that stuck in my mind, though it's pure speculation, was that because we know so little about the sub-molecular level's physics, (quantum physics, in other words) that there could be mass amounts of these micro black holes constantly around us at all times. Following my train of thought here, just as a purely fyi tidbit, most of our universe is actually made up of "space"...that is, in terms we can grasp, the distance between two electron levels in a single atom would be akin to 20km or more!