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Oct 2 2009 08:35am
Quote (jolled_8 @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 01:21pm)
Why? Since this title is misguiding?
Actually those who post here are either interested in memory techniques or like to make +1's, just like yourself.


Oh did that appear impolite to you? I was just thinking that the technique is more interesting on its own than pi. Anyway it doesn’t matter for me to do it here. lemme try to dissociate and deduce the technique you mentioned to the fundamental:

This technique works by associating a set of vocal symbols to numbers, then transforming these vocal symbols into meaningful words, and finally into visual memory. So there are at least three layers of transformation needed, and I assume that you will need to spend some time on these transformation processes, let alone memorizing it. However the time is well spent, because the visual image generated is unique for different sets of number and the chance of mixing them up is low.

As far as I know, left fusiform gyrus is responsible for associating symbols to their meanings and angular gyrus for associating phonological information. While visual memory takes a wide range of structures including visual cortex and inferior temporal gyrus. So Repetition is actually relevant for this technique, just that the same thing is repeated in the means of different forms, in this case, audio, verbal and visual. There are studies saying for more systems in the brain involved, the higher quality is the memory (aka the association you mentioned).

Another potential use I can think of this technique is coding, for example, you can even writing down your bank account number and password on a piece of paper and show it to your friends, because it is only a chain of meaningless words to people who don't know your transformation preference.

Basing on this technique, I can think of one other memory technique that uses auditory memory instead of visual memory. For example, associating each of the number into musical notes and make a song with it. I am sure there are people around that have a better auditory memory than visual memory.

One other well known fact about memory is the digit span, which states that human is best at memorizing a set of 7 numbers, more than that memory will decline. So cut the chunk of numbers in pi into groups of 7 will help if you don't give a fuck with the above technique.

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Oct 2 2009 09:48am
You seem to have done your homework :)
It is correct that you seem to remember easier if you use more of your senses, which means the auditory, visual and kinetic sensory. What you do is you bring forth more of the vast intelligence of your mind and you're not limited to the use of your consciousness only.
I totally agree that the time you invest in these techniques are very well spent and you'll have it as a tool for the rest f your life. But what I still wonder is if you could make these techniques even faster for remembering faces, names and maybe even remembering things without the smallest effort of your conscious mind?
For those who get more excited about pushing your mind to the limits ;) please watch some Derren Brown videos at Youtube if you wanna see some real stuff. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFGG6zWByhM)
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Oct 2 2009 11:18am
Quote (jolled_8 @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 03:48pm)
You seem to have done your homework :)
It is correct that you seem to remember easier if you use more of your senses, which means the auditory, visual and kinetic sensory. What you do is you bring forth more of the vast intelligence of your mind and you're not limited to the use of your consciousness only.
I totally agree that the time you invest in these techniques are very well spent and you'll have it as a tool for the rest f your life. But what I still wonder is if you could make these techniques even faster for remembering faces, names and maybe even remembering things without the smallest effort of your conscious mind?
For those who get more excited about pushing your mind to the limits ;) please watch some Derren Brown videos at Youtube if you wanna see some real stuff. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFGG6zWByhM)


as far as i know, face recognition is a total different and more complicated system, it involve the involuntary differentiation of nearly un-noticable attributes of the face, the main backbone of face recognition is the T shape formed by our eyebrows and nose, then moving on to other details.

and believe me, you would not want and do not need a photographic memory, this is because the world is flooded with information more than we needed, and by means of filtering out irrelevant information, we can perform different tasks more efficiently. In fact, the status of our memory capacity is fit enough, we dont need to remember 100 digits of pi right?
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as far as i know, face recognition is a total different and more complicated system, it involve the involuntary differentiation of nearly un-noticable attributes of the face, the main backbone of face recognition is the T shape formed by our eyebrows and nose, then moving on to other details.

and believe me, you would not want and do not need a photographic memory, this is because the world is flooded with information more than we needed, and by means of filtering out irrelevant information, we can perform different tasks more efficiently. In fact, the status of our memory capacity is fit enough, we dont need to remember 100 digits of pi right?


I like that idea of the T-shape formed in our faces! I might just look into it tonight. :)

I agree that I don't want and I don't need a photographic memory, but I'm still going to train myself to achieve it. And I like to think that it's much better to take in as much information as possible and then really see if there are irrelevant information or if there actually is something that I have use for!
Also it is proven that the more you learn, the more you'll be able to learn. The more you use the brain's real potential, the easier it becomes to use it.

I really don't believe that we can perform different tasks more efficiently if we train only to do just that. If we could take in all the information to learn many more tasks, we could then use the imagination in a better way to even more efficiently take on the different tasks we're given!

Keep up the discussions peops! :)
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Quote (Questy @ Thu, 17 Sep 2009, 16:28)
I know it's 3.14 but that's it.


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Oct 2 2009 11:42pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Sun, 20 Sep 2009, 13:06)
there is only 1 decimal in PI , the rest are all decimal points


almost correct

there is only one decimal/decimal point in pie

there are a fuckton of digits after that decimal, however.
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Oct 2 2009 11:43pm
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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 10:42pm)
almost correct

there is only one decimal/decimal point in pie

there are a fuckton of digits after that decimal, however.

more than a fuckton, i'd say.
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Oct 3 2009 01:26am
3.1

do i win?
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Oct 3 2009 02:24am
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Sat, Oct 3 2009, 05:42am)
almost correct

there is only one decimal/decimal point in pie

there are a fuckton of digits after that decimal, however.


I get it! I made a mistake. Can you guys drop it now?
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