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Dec 14 2008 02:28pm
by the sound of it, man will destroy itself.
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Dec 16 2008 09:42pm
I made some base physic and studied a little bit Einstein's knowledge at school.

In the formulae, if you replace the variable that represent the speed with "c" which is light speed, it makes a division by zero. happy.gif Crazy huh ph34r.gif
Also,accelerating to such a speed is almost impossible...
Imagine... you take 1 year at slowly accelerating to reach light speed because if you don't... well... you will look like some strange Jello in your seat after such an acceleration rofl.gif


This post was edited by HellFireCoco on Dec 16 2008 09:42pm
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Dec 17 2008 06:22am
Quote (Myrddrall9 @ Fri, Dec 12 2008, 02:14am)
You'd have to use some sort of loop hole regarding travel speed (moving through space in non-linear paths), wormholes or other more exotic methods.


then you are not traveling extrememly fast

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Dec 17 2008 08:53am
if we survive for long enough then deffo yes
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Dec 18 2008 10:22am
Quote (HellFireCoco @ Tue, Dec 16 2008, 10:42pm)
I made some base physic and studied a little bit Einstein's knowledge at school.

In the formulae, if you replace the variable that represent the speed with "c" which is light speed, it makes a division by zero. happy.gif Crazy huh ph34r.gif
Also,accelerating to such a speed is almost impossible...
Imagine... you take 1 year at slowly accelerating to reach light speed because if you don't... well... you will look like some strange Jello in your seat after such an acceleration rofl.gif


yea that also means that the relativistic mass will be infinite and it would take infinite amount of energy to accelerate such a mass.
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Dec 18 2008 10:53am
Quote (Dr_zoidberg71 @ Fri, Dec 12 2008, 01:39am)
as far as I'm concerned, unless we somehow colonize a large portion of the galaxy, we really wouldn't need light speed. Say we find a habitable planet (meaning materials to build an airtight base, not just fully habitable like earth) within 20-50 light years of Earth. if we can travel near the speed of light, then we could still get items and people there relatively fast.

Robert W. Bussard designed a type of propulsion system knwon as the Bussard Ramjet. It basically scoops up interstellar hydrogen and compresses it to undergo fusion. It then uses the fusion reaction as an exhaust which propels the craft further, which gets it more fuel. This craft would therefore ignore the "light speed requires infinite fuel stored onboard" requirement because it gets its fuel en route. The problem with this is that we have theorized that the interstellar hydrogen is of a much lower density than Bussard originally guessed. This could be solved by pre-seeding the trajectory of the craft between its departure point and its destination.

The technologies I am discussing however, are at least hundreds of years from being perfected. And as Kami pointed out, once all the oil on this planet is consumed, we will literally tear ourselves apart unless we plan for that point and have alternative energies researched and ready to go by that point.


1- There aren't any 'laws' on this topic although most of the current physics formulas are based on the THEORY of relativity (plz note THEORY).
2- Considering the achievements in R&D and computation in the past 20 years, i think it is safe to say that it is possible but not probable

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3- we're going to have oil for more than 300 years, you might be thinking about old data that predicted natural oil reserves would be exhausted before 2020. We've found more. A lot more. I'd be more worried with finding fresh water than oil if I were you.
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Quote (xnatex21 @ Thu, Dec 18 2008, 10:53am)
1- There aren't any 'laws' on this topic although most of the current physics formulas are based on the THEORY of relativity (plz note THEORY).
2- Considering the achievements in R&D and computation in the past 20 years, i think it is safe to say that it is possible but not probable

off topic and in reply to the above
3- we're going to have oil for more than 300 years, you might be thinking about old data that predicted natural oil reserves would be exhausted before 2020. We've found more. A lot more. I'd be more worried with finding fresh water than oil if I were you.


We may have plenty of oil for the forseeable future, but it won't matter at all if no one wants to authorize study of alternative energies. I think we should be researching them as fast as we can, because having to rely on foreign countries for our main energy source is not very good for America.
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Quote (Dr_zoidberg71 @ Thu, Dec 18 2008, 06:23pm)
We may have plenty of oil for the forseeable future, but it won't matter at all if no one wants to authorize study of alternative energies. I think we should be researching them as fast as we can, because having to rely on foreign countries for our main energy source is not very good for America.


agreed

but we also have given contries like saudi arabia (sp, sorry) technology in return for nice oil contracts...short term we're good 2 go, long term, well lets just hope that the tree hugging hippies dont put a stop to things like nuclear power plants or drilling in alaska (and for that matter, i'd prefer cheap oil for the world and developing countries than a few polar bears. drill baby drill)
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Dec 18 2008 08:37pm
I think one day it will be possible, certainly not in the near future though.
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Dec 19 2008 09:08am
i dont think this is going to happen

somebody has explained to me that light does not relly have matter but everything else does

as soon as u get to light speed u become heavier, so u need to go just a little bit faster to get to light speed
so it would take more and more energy to sustain light speed if we can get there at all.

i think its impossible.
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