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Dec 10 2008 01:49pm
Quote (Kamikizzle @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 19:43)
edit, this is also why this forum should be in pard. notice how quickly science and religion intertwined?


only because this thread is about the origin of the universe
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Quote (WilliGoesInJsp @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 02:47pm)
reach the center of what?
how will u die?


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How do you know for sure you'll die before reaching to center?

Wouldn't it be trippy if a black hole was a super funnel? Large enough on one side to suck us all in, but then small enough on the other to only pump out one organism?

Spira, you'd die before you reach the center because of the force. Every centimeter close to the event horizon has infinitely more pull than the previous. That being said, if you stuck your finger towards a black hole, the force pulling on your finger would be so much greater than on the rest of your arm and body that you would simply be ripped to shreds.

As for actually using a Black Hole, many time travel theories surround using a black hole as a type of worm hole... but then we run into the problem I just went into xD
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Quote (njaguar @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 14:32)
All sensible logic tells me it's just a LOT of condensed mass.


It's contended that black holes are the most massive objects in the universe, outside of superclusters, which are more dispersed. Black holes allow no "information" to be released, but Hawking radiation does show up along an event horizon. The Big Bang Theory lacks symmetry in the sense that it's explanatorily empty regarding it's own origin. Perhaps that's alright, because we're geared to think something must come before x, and then something muyst come before y. In terms of dealing with the idea of the expansion/contraction of the universe, the calcualtions on mass aren't really finished. So if there's a certain amount of mass, we're not going to retract, and perhaps there never were contractions, but if there's a different amount of mass, we're going to see contraction replayed, potentially endlessly. So far it looks like we won't see a Big Crunch (retraction) but there are some unsettled hypotheses afloat:

* we haven't observed that mass
* we don't know how to observe that mass OR we've miscalculated

In the late 90s I played with the idea of seeing forces equally in a multiverse. In THIS universe, or for what we can observe and so far know about, it appears that gravity is especially weak, and really only shows up to impress us when we think of large masses. Whereas a magnet outdoes gravity pretty easily on Earth. If we explain gravity as only partial it's fathomable that if we live in a multiverse, we're experienceing a gravity "leak". This would also explain black holes to some extent, but it's difficult to say if there's a "sucking" effect that forces mass out into some other dimension/universe. In fact, it's more likely that there's a "pocketing effcect" wherethrough black holes appear on their own volition (that's current science's explanation, anyway), and then they just "leak out", or, better yet, their tear in a one in space-time wink.gif So then lost gravity would be expalined either in pockets, bubbles, or additional dimensions/universes. That would be really cool, but the physics there is VERY iffy, because, for one thing, physics doesn't pentrate black holes so long as physics assumes an "inside" for black holes--or so goes conventional reason. But that deosn't mean we'd need an alternative physics to expalin "what's on the other side", so long as it tells us something about gravity. And perhaps gravity is the only leaking force because of its particularities.


So for now the Big Bang semes to beat out the Big Crunch (expansion/contraction), but the Big Crunch is a more elegant proposal. A lot of physicists are retelling the story of the Big Bang as the Big Rip now.
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Quote (Lampee @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 07:49pm)
the center of the black hole, read post #33

btw some1 answer my question biggrin.gif
'what irritates me is, that if all the matter once was located in a point or even a very small radius it must have been inside the event horizon of that amout of matter. regarding the general theory of relativity, an infinite amount of time has to pass before a remarkable process occurs there, such as expansion.
am i wrong?'


lol funny that you ask this question on jsp AHAHAHAHAHAH
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Dec 10 2008 01:53pm
ive heard about a theory about the pressure in a black hole being so high that u just get pulled into a few thousand pieces
what do u guys say bout that?

This post was edited by WilliGoesInJsp on Dec 10 2008 01:53pm
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Quote (Spira @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 14:10)
I know they're running tests to try to recreate a smaller version of the big bang,
if they do, would this disprove several major religions?.


They're trying to find the Higgs boson particle, or the "god particle", which they think is the origin of matter, hence mass. The Large Hadron Collider won't disprove the existence of God, and it may fail or just run us into more mysteries smile.gif Don't get sucked into the hype that pays for projects like that, and don't get too worried about God's existence om the other side of that debate, because it will most certainly not put an end to cosmological theology. smile.gif

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ive heard about a theory about the pressure in a black hole being so high that u just get pulled into a few thousand pieces
what do u guys say bout that?


No, you'd be fried on the way in, and you'd probably run of of oxygen before you'd get fried. Of course, the pressures outside a black hole might get ya, too. Depends on where you'd be and what you'd be wearing. If somehow you defied all logic and you made it to the black hole, you'd be torn all to crap.

This post was edited by RewtheBrave on Dec 10 2008 01:59pm
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Quote (WilliGoesInJsp @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:53pm)
ive heard about a theory about the pressure in a black hole being so high that u just get pulled into a few thousand pieces
what do u guys say bout that?


Are you reading above? Yes I believe that the pressure is that high.
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Quote (Spira @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 20:56)
Are you reading above? Yes I believe that the pressure is that high.


did i miss something? :X
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Quote (njaguar @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 02:13pm)
My problem with the Big Bang theory is that it does not account for how a contraction of the universe will occur. Our universe is constantly expanding, and there is nothing known yet that will cause it to start back into a collapse cycle.


Some believe when the energy reaches the maximum limitation for expansion, a collapse will begin..

There are also several theories on the "death" of the universe..

One being a deep freeze - when the universe continues to expand, the energy will be so spread out, that everything will freeze biggrin.gif


BTW GZ for the new forum!!!
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Dec 10 2008 01:58pm
Quote (WilliGoesInJsp @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 02:56pm)
did i miss something? :X


Read my posts, it should explain why you would be ripped to smithereens.
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