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Sep 27 2016 12:51am
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^Resistance to disease is about the only thing that's being improved
and that's generally a case of getting rid of genetic weaknesses rather than making improvements

The behavior and circumstances you mention obviously play a role in reproduction but I don't think we're making much evolutionary headway. Most behavior that would be beneficial for humans as a whole wouldn't give much higher chance of reproduction. As the video showed it can often be the reverse
Dying early doesn't effect evolution that much, unless it's before they can reproduce, and that's rather extreme.

For evolution you need to make improvements not just get rid of any failures


So, do you have absolutely anything to back up this outrageous claim that, presumably because of civilization, our genetics no longer play an important role in whether we will live enough to procreate, will actually end up procreating, and will actually end up raising children that in turn do each of these things?

I know mankind has become terribly conceited since we started using our hygiene, medication and collective intelligence to overcome common roadblocks, but black-on-white stating that we are currently defying natural selection is one of the most naive things I've ever heard of.
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Sep 27 2016 01:46am
Quote (dakariii @ Sep 26 2016 07:09am)
^Resistance to disease is about the only thing that's being improved
and that's generally a case of getting rid of genetic weaknesses rather than making improvements

The behavior and circumstances you mention obviously play a role in reproduction but I don't think we're making much evolutionary headway. Most behavior that would be beneficial for humans as a whole wouldn't give much higher chance of reproduction. As the video showed it can often be the reverse
Dying early doesn't effect evolution that much, unless it's before they can reproduce, and that's rather extreme.

For evolution you need to make improvements not just get rid of any failures


ah there it is - your understanding of evolution is purely from socio-economic racist believes, this sheds a whole new light onto your cognitive dissonance
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Sep 27 2016 03:14am
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So, do you have absolutely anything to back up this outrageous claim that, presumably because of civilization, our genetics no longer play an important role in whether we will live enough to procreate, will actually end up procreating, and will actually end up raising children that in turn do each of these things?

I know mankind has become terribly conceited since we started using our hygiene, medication and collective intelligence to overcome common roadblocks, but black-on-white stating that we are currently defying natural selection is one of the most naive things I've ever heard of.

Yeah don't worry I sort of agreed with you the first time, was arguing for the sake of it -_-

You mention all the improvement we've made but those things evolve regardless of human genes, like human intelligence has been rising according to iq etc (although this seems to debatable for some reason!) But is that because of evolution or because of increased exposure to A/V media at an early age, improved knowledge/learning techniques etc

The only things I really want for humans from evolution is better physical traits for speed sense organs etc and improved intelligence and it's hard to see how these things get picked up by evolution anywhere near as fast as do for primitive species
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Sep 27 2016 03:55am
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Yeah don't worry I sort of agreed with you the first time, was arguing for the sake of it -_-

You mention all the improvement we've made but those things evolve regardless of human genes, like human intelligence has been rising according to iq etc (although this seems to debatable for some reason!) But is that because of evolution or because of increased exposure to A/V media at an early age, improved knowledge/learning techniques etc

The only things I really want for humans from evolution is better physical traits for speed sense organs etc and improved intelligence and it's hard to see how these things get picked up by evolution anywhere near as fast as do for primitive species


IQ tests are intended to test intelligence regardless of education or knowledge. This means that, if those tests are truly accurate, an increase in average intelligence indicates an actual increase in inherent intelligence.
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Sep 27 2016 04:25am
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IQ tests are intended to test intelligence regardless of education or knowledge. This means that, if those tests are truly accurate, an increase in average intelligence indicates an actual increase in inherent intelligence.

That's true but the audio visual exposure at a young age definitely plays a role, our world is getting more and more interesting. Even stuff like more/complex buildings would help people develop spacial/geometric reasoning skills
also
http://www.livescience.com/37095-humans-smarter-or-dumber.html
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Sep 27 2016 08:19am
I think that high tech makes our world easier, for example turn on or off heating of the house from your mobile phone on your way home. Now it is real with http://www.gairsolutions.com

This post was edited by PatrickTeer on Sep 27 2016 08:20am
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We as humanity have stopped evolving physicaly, but does that mean we cannot evolve? The theory is to imagine the human race 1000 years into the future. Will we be dead? Will the earth be destroyed? Will we have time travel? These questions arise out of curiousity but the answer seems to be not so clear. Is humanity going to reach the "singularity" or a point where technology and humans evolve together? we can create life and robotics so why not merge them together? This could even be in the form of nano bots that could self replicate and keep us alive swimming through the blood stream. Humans create robots, robots kill humans, then create androids as the next step in evolution. Even with genetic modification could we not create the "super-human" and live for hundreds of years? Why not just maintain what we already have then constantly repopulating. The problems with moving forward in technology is that everyone is so disconnected with eachother with the non stop greed of making money. Dont get me wrong diversity is a good thing and essential to our world (mainly for disease control where some living organisms may be completely immune). Half the problem with this idea is religon and morals. One has to have a strong moral foundation which religion teaches you about good and evil etc. How would one know what was good if one had never done good or experienced good things? and the reverse could be said for evil, but one must have experienced both to have an understanding of the other. How can you truely be happy if you have never experienced sorrow? We as humanity need to stand together to move forward rather than be divided. Plenty of good minds walk this earth and create the foundation to actualy move forward physicaly and spiritualy. Just like science and math there has to be a foundation of truths to build off of. For example we first know that mass creates gravity, and gravity creates time. We are all together in this rollercoaster we call life flying through space on a chunk of rock going millions if miles an hour.


Humans have not stopped evolving physically.. That is very short sighted of you to say..
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Sep 27 2016 08:52am
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We as humanity have stopped evolving physicaly


stopped reading here
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stopped reading here


Its very difficult to understand the timescales at work here. It's not his fault.
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Oct 19 2016 09:21am
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This post was edited by PatrickTeer on Oct 19 2016 09:22am
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