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Nov 7 2014 11:03am
Quote (herbdoc @ Nov 7 2014 11:52am)
I did read them and they are amateur at best - zero university studies or institute studies.
If a person has cancer and dies - If their history shows marijuana use and ciggarette use. Which do you think would be jotted down as the cause?
Marijuana causing cancer is really besides the point - Even if thousands of people got cancer from using it, people would still use it.

If you drink while pregnant - it causes birth defects
If you smoke ciggarettes - it causes cancer

do people still do thess things? yes.




They said it was due to chronic inflammation from smoking pot, yeah.
I told them I used a vaporizer on the lowest setting and was told that it doesn't matter because holding the smoke (or vapor) in my lungs causing strain on the tissues in my lungs.

Just how people pull muscles from holding heavy weight - it's the same with chronic inflammation and lung tissue.


Give me any studies that says marijuana is linked to cancer pls.

And few questions about the lung collapse.
When you vaped how much time did you hold your toke?
And how many times a day did you vape.
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Nov 7 2014 11:06am
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They said it was due to chronic inflammation from smoking pot, yeah.
I told them I used a vaporizer on the lowest setting and was told that it doesn't matter because holding the smoke (or vapor) in my lungs causing strain on the tissues in my lungs.

Just how people pull muscles from holding heavy weight - it's the same with chronic inflammation and lung tissue.


so it could've been from smoking anything, has nothing to do with pot in particular
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Nov 7 2014 11:10am
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201106/history-cannabis-in-india

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Cannabis has a long history in India, veiled in legends and religion. The earliest mention of cannabis has been found in The Vedas, or sacred Hindu texts. These writings may have been compiled as early as 2000 to 1400 B.C. According to The Vedas, cannabis was one of five sacred plants and a guardian angel lived in its leaves. The Vedas call cannabis a source of happiness, joy-giver, liberator that was compassionately given to humans to help us attain delight and lose fear (Abel, 1980). It releases us from anxiety. The god, Shiva is frequently associated with cannabis, called bhang in India. According to legend, Shiva wandered off into the fields after an angry discourse with his family. Drained from the family conflict and the hot sun, he fell asleep under a leafy plant. When he awoke, his curiosity led him to sample the leaves of the plant. Instantly rejuvenated, Shiva made the plant his favorite food and he became known as the Lord of Bhang.
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Nov 7 2014 11:28am
Quote (Loops @ Nov 7 2014 12:03pm)
And few questions about the lung collapse.
When you vaped how much time did you hold your toke?
And how many times a day did you vape.

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Held for 3 seconds, sometimes 10.
When my lung started to hurt i wouldn't even hold it.
3-4 times a day I vaped.
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Quote (Loops @ Nov 7 2014 12:03pm)
Give me any studies that says marijuana is linked to cancer pls.

While there has been no direct link from marijuana to lung cancer - meaning, you could find studies that DO link it to lung cancer and studies that DO NOT link it... it certainly causes and has been linked other major issues with the body including Bullous Lung Disease and Testicular Cancer.


Testicular Cancer -
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.24159/full
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study-links-marijuana-use-to-testicular-cancer
http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/OtherCancers/12802 -- The study was supported by the NIH and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center


Bullous Lung Disease
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/747982_4
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360494/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123104017.htm -- study finds that the development of bullous lung disease occurs in marijuana smokers approximately 20 years earlier than tobacco smokers.


Lung Cancer-
cannabis smoking was significantly associated with more than a twofold risk (hazard ratio 2.12, 95 % CI 1.08-4.14) of developing lung cancer over the 40-year follow-up period, even after statistical adjustment for baseline tobacco use, alcohol use, respiratory conditions, and socioeconomic status.
Source - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23846283




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Nov 7 2014 11:28am
I think in terms of addiction imo you can say it is addictive not in the chemical sense that hard addictive drugs are but in terms of it being apart of someones schedule well yeah I mean anything can be addictive even gaming. If it is apart of your regiment and especially if it makes you feel normal or better. and you feel you life sucks well yeah your body can get addicted to it anyway.

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No offence but this is just an example of the endless amounts of ignorance that exist around what is a much more complicated situation, which not enough people pay attention to. Fact is it is an incredibly varied plant which on the one hand can send someone to the emergency room due to a serious panic attack or on the other give them the most relaxing pleasant experience of their life, without even getting into genetic variations stuff like grow methods but especially harvest time make big differences.

Raw THC is basically akin to LSD, experienced smokers who think its fine to give inexperienced smokers strong cannabis which has been bred with high THC content are idiots. For the most part the strong effects of THC are countered by other cannabinoids, which it also appears is where a lot, if not most of its medical potential comes from.


Well that's why there is a problem with it as a whole you can't try and advocate something that can destroy someones life. And the argument that people always make that ya know people who smoked and had a panic disorder well that is because it was a pre existing condition. well yes that may have been a factor but I went all my life without having a panic attack and I was never a fearful person i am an adrenaline junkie.


And the other argument that marijuana use doesn't hurt anyone or doesn't impair you I gotta say that is utter bullshit. On the first time i had a bad trip If i would of drove my car i would most defiantly killed myself or someone else.

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Nov 7 2014 11:37am
Its also even worse because the only real answer to panic disorder is you either gotta be very strong mentally have a strong will to not be disabled. a lot of people aren't that lucky. or get hooked up to zoloft and xanax which I mean if weed causes someone to get hooked on that bullshit how is this plant worship as an angel giver of happiness.

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Held for 3 seconds, sometimes 10.
When my lung started to hurt i wouldn't even hold it.
3-4 times a day I vaped.
_______________________________________


While there has been no direct link from marijuana to lung cancer - meaning, you could find studies that DO link it to lung cancer and studies that DO NOT  link it... it certainly causes and has been linked other major issues with the body including Bullous Lung Disease and Testicular Cancer.


Testicular Cancer -
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.24159/full
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study-links-marijuana-use-to-testicular-cancer
http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/OtherCancers/12802  -- The study was supported by the NIH and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center


Bullous Lung Disease
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/747982_4
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360494/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123104017.htm -- study finds that the development of bullous lung disease occurs in marijuana smokers approximately 20 years earlier than tobacco smokers.


Lung Cancer-
cannabis smoking was significantly associated with more than a twofold risk (hazard ratio 2.12, 95 % CI 1.08-4.14) of developing lung cancer over the 40-year follow-up period, even after statistical adjustment for baseline tobacco use, alcohol use, respiratory conditions, and socioeconomic status.
Source - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23846283


10 seconds seems awfully long to hold in. I usually hold it in 1-2 sec and I dont take huge hits.

I got studies saying something and you got studies saying the opposite. Just proves that we should investigate this plant a lot more.

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Nov 7 2014 11:53am
It's set and setting. Some of the best experiences of my life were smoking weed on an irregular basis. I've studied a discipline and when I'm attuned to myself and smoke herb it brings about profound relaxation and a sense of a higher purpose to life, due to the elation.
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Nov 7 2014 11:58am
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It's set and setting. Some of the best experiences of my life were smoking weed on an irregular basis. I've studied a discipline and when I'm attuned to myself and smoke herb it brings about profound relaxation and a sense of a higher purpose to life, due to the elation.



I too have had this experience but in hindsight i'm not sure I really need this. Maybe the relaxation part but my mind is already so active that my theory is that if my brain gets overloaded I lose control. I just don't think I need something to help me be enlightened.

You don't need anything but yourself believe in yourself that YOU and YOUR mind can achieve what you so desire without a foreign substance.

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Nov 7 2014 12:02pm
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I too have had this experience but in hindsight i'm not sure I really need this. Maybe the relaxation part but my mind is already so active that my theory is that if my brain gets overloaded I lose control. I just don't think I need something to help me be enlightened.

You don't need anything but yourself believe in yourself that YOU and YOUR mind can achieve what you so desire without a foreign substance.


I've definitely gotten higher without drugs than with them, but even though you aren't denying the favorable effect you aren't promoting it's use.

Marijuana is also abused and has a diminished benefit when misused, but why punish people for elevating their consciousness, be it on a regular or irregular basis?
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