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Apr 19 2013 11:32am
Are two dogs of different colors different species?
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Apr 22 2013 05:00am
Quote (noob_whacker @ Apr 19 2013 05:16pm)
elaborate?


example of a made up loose defnition: should possess some form of abstract thinking capabilities and developed planning abilities to an extent which monkeys don't have. That definition would include most people from different cultures. (it's obviously a crap definition as it would exclude people with certain disorders such as down syndrome or profound mental Retardation).

a stricter defnition would be: nose cannot exceed the width of 3 centimeters. This would exclude most african americans and asians as being the same species as caucasians.

I am very aware that my defnitions are crap, but the point I'm trying to make is that who belongs to a certain species is partially dependend on the defnition of species we use.

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Apr 22 2013 06:06pm
Quote (YaC @ Apr 22 2013 07:00am)
example of a made up loose defnition: should possess some form of abstract thinking capabilities and developed planning abilities to an extent which monkeys don't have. That definition would include most people from different cultures. (it's obviously a crap definition as it would exclude people with certain disorders such as down syndrome or profound mental Retardation).

a stricter defnition would be: nose cannot exceed the width of 3 centimeters. This would exclude most african americans and asians as being the same species as caucasians.

I am very aware that my defnitions are crap, but the point I'm trying to make is that who belongs to a certain species is partially dependend on the defnition of species we use.

The definition of species is not arbitrary. It makes very good sense what they use to differentiate between two species.
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Apr 23 2013 10:49am
im actually quite surprised this thread made it past 2 pages :] .
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Apr 23 2013 12:21pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Apr 23 2013 02:06am)
The definition of species is not arbitrary. It makes very good sense what they use to differentiate between two species.


well, technically it is arbitrary. It has a general english meaning that preceded the biological definition (pardon my terminology, language majors), it's not a term coined for a specific purpose, and it is modified to fit the biological context in a convenient (yet arbitrary) manner. He has a point, as the distinction between species and sub-species isn't always clear, nor is the transition from one species into another a smooth one.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Apr 23 2013 12:24pm
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Apr 24 2013 03:40am
i suggest you to read peter singers ethnics of animals/nature.
and to be on topic: yes we should not make a difference between people. i'd explain but my english is horrible ( too many missing words^^ )
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Quote (Aisu_aS @ Apr 8 2013 10:10pm)
Can't see a reason why we wouldn't be.


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Jul 6 2013 07:43pm
There is no such thing as a stupid question.


just stupid people.
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Jul 11 2013 01:17am
Quote (Interesting @ 9 Apr 2013 02:09)
I read this as 'groped' instead of 'grouped'.


I did the exact thing.
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