no I do know for sure that its probably is wrong



I don't know why the universe is flat, no one does. Inflationary theory takes a stab at it

The reason I just said you were completely wrong is becasue that really was all that needs to be said. "time and distance is what bends their sides together creating a spherical shape"
Thats one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Theres no shreads of legitmacy to that.

The earth is round for obvious reasons. If you have particles floating around, and they are attracted to each other, they are going to form a sphere. Did you just make your own theory up or something? Where did you get that from?



You asked how do they know if the universe is expanding. Those guys tracked the location of super novas and won a nobel prize for it and their theory of why. And wtf do you mean I said google it because idk what im talking about? Obviously I don't know the intricate details of it all i just know the tldr version. I said google it if you wanted more info on it.



The people who talk about it are you.



You asked what was causing the universe to expand. Get this: NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS. I gave you two theories; dark energy and quantum vacuum and a good explination as to what dark energy COULD be.

You're response is to try and pretend as everyones being fed bull shit but youre so enlightened? The bullshit being fed is your youtube concsiouness videos that you cant get enough of, not a possible explanation of space expansion from einstein or nasa




honeslty light not being matter is like 8th grade science, i shouldnt even have to say it

thats pretty much what dark energy is. I can't answer questions that no one has the answer too.



the big bang only describe the universe after it came into exsistence and it might not even be true



I don't know if its finite or infinite, what I was saying is that it would make more sense if it was finite but I don't know. And the big bang model traditionally was based off of a finite universe, idk if they've changed recently to an infinite one but it used to be big bang = finite universe



i meant the expansion of matter through space. Like the matter is expanding away from other matter. sorry if that was poor wording



Are you serious kid? I don't accept dark energy as true, its a nice theory but i dont fucking know. Thats not what they got the nobel prize for. They got it for their work in discovering the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate by tracking super novas. And yes, me and THE REST OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY accept that to be true. Type anything about the universe expansion into google and you're only going to get one answer, and its all based off that project.

And I need to think for myself? What am I suppose to be coming up with my own thoeries and alternate solutions to dark energy when the top scientists in the world can't figure that out? I don't acclaim to be that smart and I admit NASA has better guys working on it than me. Hey you should email them and tell them its all just a manifestation of our conciousness and how light is infact actually matter I'm sure they'll appreciate it

I'm just going to assume youre going through some weird adolescent stage or something where you just randomly lash out people and pretend to be so free minded even though you regurgitate your ideas from youtube like the olsen twins after thanksgiving

than answer the question of why a flat universe implies an infinite planar universe or a finite torus

The Big Bang is nonsense.

Wasn't sure if you noticed this before



The big bang supposedly happened everywhere. It wasn't like someone set off a huge bomb in the universe. It was just a sudden expansion of volume (which released a lot of energy to be spread out)

Please point out the contradictions.

It's impossible to discuss things with you because you're so full of yourself and wrapped up in your own head that you don't listen to anyone else.

This post was edited by Derkaderk on Feb 4 2012 10:36am

thats cool but the big bang is irrelevant to the question

to answer my own question, i think the reason that flat implies infinte is because since its flat its close to the critical density of the universe and that implies its infinite

Theres a LOT of contradictions in between many theories, and when you just memorize all the theories as being correct because some "nut" said it, without trying to rationalize by yourself with your previous beliefs, then you get to a point of saturation like novocane. And can't think straight anymore, if not by recalling quotes and pre made sentences or theories that he heard or read in some place.

And I listen, more than you think,every single word you type I read, think, and answer ^^ in opposite of other people here that only answer questions of their own interests to avoid being wrong.
I just don't take anything as a final conclusion without perfectly understand why. So what physics or anyone else tell me doesn't mean they are correct and im not gonna use it as a solid point to hold any kind of rationalization I might do furthermore, if I don't perfectly understand it, which many times leads me to deny them from being truth and I can explain why, as you saw in the other thread. So I have an argument if I deny a theory. Unlike others here that deny 1 theory using another theory. Which also clearly shows said contradictions.



@novocane
Einatein said there's energy everywhere even on the "unrevealed parts of the universe" that when the universe expands through the dark, that energy shows up.
Then you say that the universe is expanding even tell me about the mach's.

BUT you think the universe is finite.

How is it possible that the universe is expanding and accelerating as you said, but you believe or are questioning the possibility of being finite?

How can you relate "expanding" with "being limited" ?




Lets assume its not and think about it until we come to an end of possibilities.
To say that it's nonsense just by using your senses, you better go to church ^^

Edit: I'm not saying big bang is definitely true, im just assuming it is in this case.

This post was edited by omghacks2 on Feb 4 2012 12:39pm

are you completely illiterate or only like 70%?

and what do you mean how is it possible for the universe to be finite and expanding? The whole traditional big bang was that a finite universe filled with energy and expanded. It makes more sense logically to have a finite universe thats expanding but evidence suggests that the universe is probably infinite on the x y axis


and way to dodge my whole post, you just completely got owned

Point them out

You expect us to show you evidence for everything, and then you never show anyone evidence for anything.

Why do any of us humor you any more. This has to be a big practical joke, right?

This post was edited by Derkaderk on Feb 4 2012 01:11pm