I must admit I know nothing of singularities so thank you for pointing that out. Still the question goes unanswered though, how did it all get there?



As I've previously said scientists and professors who don't even believe in God have studied exactly this, and have come to the conclusion that there was an "Impersonal Force" behind the Big Bang. Whatever you call Him, its gotta be God. Unless you know of any other impersonal forces with god-like power to be able to control something of that magnitude?

I simply cannot watch a one hour video online. But if you could summarize it for me?

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that is basically how i feel. until someone can nail down exactly what God is and what he isnt, anyone can decide that the force that create things counts as their "God".

it's not a view that can be proven as incorrect (which is why religion has persisted for so much of human history), but its also not a very productive view.

Just saying "God made it" ignores the whole reason why human would want the question answered in the first place. We wanna know how the universe got the way it is so we can know it works, what could happen next and what we can do within its rules. And we need to be able to answer that question exactly, down to the atom.

This post was edited by kayeto on Dec 23 2011 05:15am

Interesting note, I watched something on the science channel the other day and they were talking about almost finding the "God" particle. I guess they were talking about the smallest of the small invisible forces that make up our universe. In another 20-30 years I think we will have alot more evidence on this. It will be interesting to see what they find.

The better answer is that the universe has always been and that no one knows what exactly caused the Big Bang. The universe is pretty much infinitely complex as it is, but an omnipotent deity that is capable of creating the universe and exists outside of the universe and time itself is infinitely more complex. Due to the lack of explanation of where such a deity came from, positing the existence of a deity as the creator of the universe just adds more complexity while providing no real explanation for the original question (how the universe came to be this way).

What's so strange about the rapid diversification of species?

Harsh climates, destructive competition, and rapid migration are pretty compelling factors =/

Besides, the Cambrian period lasted for (approximately) 55-65 million years and is only represented in a small portion of the strata. How many millions of years of evolution stood before that time is the big mystery of this whole conversation. It's unfortunate that the physical evidence leading up to the Cambrian period is not as grossly represented, but you can easily point to the conditions required to produce fossils being to blame.

To summarize: I don't think there is enough evidence to assume that this is a cause of rapid evolution. I, personally, lean towards missing data caused by a period of poor fossil producing environments before Cambria as the culprit for today's look on the CE.

Nothing godlike about that.

This post was edited by piddywiffle on Dec 23 2011 01:24pm

The "God particle" is the Higgs Boson, its the theorized particle that gives mass...and has nothing to do with god. The term came from a book, the author had written "Goddamn particle" because its been so elusive and hard to find, but his publisher wouldn't print that and convinced him to change it. It has no religious ramifications at all. Only the media call it that, no scientists do and they in fact hate the term.

This post was edited by Meeker on Dec 23 2011 01:29pm

You didn't prove anything if that was your point. Thing is, if you know philosophy of the existence of god, you cannot prove or disprove the existence of a deity outside this universe. It's just impossible. Both options stand at equal grounds.

If a god exists outside this universe, we don't know anything about what's on the "other side". It's not impossible for a deity to have existed infinitely, because infinite existence is ruled out only from this universe. Some speculate that this universe is part of an infinitely existing multiverse. What created this multiverse? "It's been existing infinitely, no need to answer derp."



God-damn particle would sound so much better...



But you include here an assumption of the most basic things being most simple... when in fact, in the world as we know it, the most basic things are one of the hardest things to mathematically grasp.

This post was edited by Ocen on Dec 23 2011 01:35pm