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I'm not a Christian..but they don't claim that god wrote the bible.
I think they believe it's God's word, that was given to man, and man wrote it.

I might be wrong.

I think there is, in a technical way.

No.

And for the religious who decided to drop in... "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

you have a point lol

This post was edited by Swoop on Jul 24 2011 08:29am

If you are gonna insult something at least first learn how it works, so you don't sound like a uneducated hick.

no god.. all evolution/aliens

This post was edited by Warlock316 on Jul 24 2011 01:22pm

In a religious point of view (though i am not religious, at least i do not believe in any gods existence), then if you believe there is a god, then there must be. Religious people might feel guided by a "higher power", though in my point of view, it is actually their intuition that plays a role (Hope i do not offend anyone, it is just my view).

But well, in a scientific point of view, there doesn't exist any god.

And in my opinion, we are our own gods (IF there must exist any kind of god).

Religion is a classification of a group of faith.
Which is totally wrong and obsolete because if you have faith it is impenetrable and is not class-able.
To explain that above statement think of it like this, you cant count to infinity. And faith in a God is infinite.
I agree with you when you say we are our own Gods, but i think we have to determine the meaning of God before we say this.

1. God meaning we control our Earthly destiny or our actions control how we live our lives here on Earth?
2. Do we have super natural powers, (I along with many others do believe humans are capable of many super natural powers)
3. If we are Gods, then there has to be an infinity that we are apart of. Meaning our soul or something along those lines.

Thats why these threads that ask such broad questions are so foolish.
The question of "God or Gods" is infinite. You can answer one question, but there are branches and branches more of questions that sprout from the original answer.
So one mans answer, or a group of scientists answers will never give a just answer as to why or how or if a God or Gods exist.

But then again this is an opinionated response question, and to answer with my point of view, yes i do believe a God exists, it is us who is God.

This post was edited by Tummy on Jul 25 2011 03:25am

All right, back from that wedding and ready to continue.


Christianity has perpetuated for 2000 years because the Church had incredible power and wealth. Entire populations bowed down to it and not even Kings of nations would dare speak a word against it. And the reason for that? Fear. Fear of being excommunicated and being sent to a hell that they were assured existed yet was strangely lacking in the Old Testament. But hey, since almost everyone was illiterate the Church could tell them whatever they wanted and they would just nod along, and because of this, the idea of Hell which was invented by Dante (who was under scrutiny for his Comedia, but the Church eventually decided it was scripturally sound) has propagated through our culture across generations. Fear is an extremely powerful tool; history shows us that to be true time and time again.


So you asked and YOU received, but when I asked for faith I did not receive. So this means either you received faith as some sort of placebo effect (you thought it would work and so it did) or that your God does not give faith to all people who sincerely ask for it, and so your God plays favorites and is directly responsible for damning people whom He decides are not worthy of faith and thus are not able to believe in Jesus and all that lore. As for testing faith, I'm surprised you didn't mention James 1. That's the single best example for the idea of "your faith will be tested" and that trials will bring you closer to God. However, I do not know of any Biblical justification for the idea that Satan tempts individuals. I can only think of the story where Satan tempts Jesus in the desert. However, I can think of a very strong verse to argue AGAINST the idea that Satan is tempting people. James 1:13-15 states

13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.
15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

Those lines clearly state that their own desires are what cause them to sin and no mention of Satan is made at all. So what makes me want to go to a porn site? My own desire to see T&A. What makes me want to drink a beer? My own desires, but you know what stops me from drinking a beer before driving? The fact that it's stupid as hell to do so.


Sounds like a cop-out if I've ever seen one. It took you 16 years from early childhood because as a very young child you aren't able to comprehend complex Biblical scriptures. For many religious people I know, Veggie Tales is the primary way of teaching their children about religion because they simply don't understand it all right from the get-go. After all, we're all born atheists and most of us are taught (indoctrinated) to believe one religion or another. Meanwhile, I didn't hear anything about religion until I was 17 and started believing then and there. My sincere questioning and doubt didn't start until I was 22, so really my "2 years" is closer to 7.

So the journey is hard and long, but there is no real justification for believing there is any reward in the end at all. Life is what we have, and it's far more likely that when we die it's Game Over. Sure that idea might be unsettling for some people, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Yes.

I've been kinda wondering if maybe Jesus was just a magician of that time period. Cause to be honest there's not much proof what so ever who he was just a book is all. The bible was made a long time ago so of course many people would believe it. If the bible was made yesterday would you believe what you read from it? It just kinda got me thinking. Cause magician's have been around for century's. Maybe he was just one of the first?