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Jun 3 2011 02:45pm
Quote (juliusjuice @ 29 May 2011 03:37)
hypothesis: space mass and time are infinite. -ofc this means no big bang.

and infinite doesnt necessarily mean everything, it means never ending.

so there could be infinite mass and infinite space between mass.


Infinite mass separated by infinite distance doesn't tell anything by itself.

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Jun 4 2011 12:26am
Quote (Andropov @ May 25 2011 01:09am)
That is actually wrong.

Man being finite in all of its forms and ways, just as much as his brain cells are finite and do not replicate until the end of times, the concept of infinity cannot come from man.
If you really put your mind to it, then you will not be able to comprehend what infinity truly is, no one can. This is why mathematicians have used a specific symbol for it and it's an abstract concept. Because we cannot represent nor quantify it. And that is because man cannot invent a concept that it does not comprehend nor is capable of generating.
Infinity in itself is the proof of the existence of God.


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Jun 4 2011 10:09am
Quote (mneto @ May 24 2011 02:12pm)
Mass is not a constant of size.
And nothing is infinite.


numbers....?
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Jun 9 2011 12:01am
to answer the original question.
no something with an infinite mass cannot ever exist

infinite is a counting system, meaning no finite answer as it just keeps going
mass however must have a finite answer, it can approach infinite, meaning that it is so large we do not have a number for it. but mass itself cannot go on forever like a number

(something of infinite mass and size would cover everything we know to exist in the universe and we would know nothing else except that one object)

and mneto time is not a human concept it is a dimension in space... the counting of it and perception is a human concept however
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Quote (ian232003 @ Jun 9 2011 01:01am)
to answer the original question.
no something with an infinite mass cannot ever exist

infinite is a counting system, meaning no finite answer as it just keeps going
mass however must have a finite answer, it can approach infinite, meaning that it is so large we do not have a number for it. but mass itself cannot go on forever like a number

(something of infinite mass and size would cover everything we know to exist in the universe and we would know nothing else except that one object)

and mneto time is not a human concept it is a dimension in space... the counting of it and perception is a human concept however



How does something approach infinite, when infinity has no end. The second you were to note the mass, you are no closer to infinity than you were prior to that point. Regardless of the mass in question, be it so large we do not have a name for it. It will never approach infinite.

And to answer the OP,

If you consider the universe to be infinite, with a potential of itself having infinite mass, and in the center of this universe there was a black hole big enough to hold it all together. Then this black hole has infinite mass.



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How does something approach infinite, when infinity has no end. The second you were to note the mass, you are no closer to infinity than you were prior to that point. Regardless of the mass in question, be it so large we do not have a name for it. It will never approach infinite.

And to answer the OP,

If you consider the universe to be infinite, with a potential of itself having infinite mass, and in the center of this universe there was a black hole big enough to hold it all together. Then this black hole has infinite mass.


lol, i guess you have never taken any calc courses
thanks for trying though
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Quote (ian232003 @ Jun 9 2011 01:44pm)
lol, i guess you have never taken any calc courses
thanks for trying though


I guess you've never taken a philosophy class.

in·fi·nite   
[in-fuh-nit] Show IPA
adjective
1.
immeasurably great: an infinite capacity for forgiveness.
2.
indefinitely or exceedingly great: infinite sums of money.
3.
unlimited or unmeasurable in extent of space, duration of time, etc.: the infinite nature of outer space.

noun
6.
something that is infinite.
7.
Mathematics . an infinite quantity or magnitude.
8.
the boundless regions of space.



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ap·proach   
[uh-prohch] Show IPA

–verb (used without object) ie inifinity
7.
to come nearer; draw near: A storm is approaching.
8.
to come near in character, time, amount, etc.; approximate.

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Approaching infinity is a paradox.
Now what does your calculus have to do with what i said exactly?


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Jun 9 2011 03:44pm
haha dude you embarras your self

your definitions just prove my point:

"unlimited or unmeasurable" so if something approaches the unlimited it means it is of a size that is beyond massive, however it stil can exist as a measurable size ie. it is not unmeasurable

calculus uses limits to calculate both infinitesimally small numbers and numbers that approach infinity

limit 0 means that the number can go on indefinitely so long as it does not hit 0 ie. 0.1, 0.001. 0.00001 and so on this is also stated as "a number approaching zero"
limit infinity means that the number can just keep growing this is also referred to as "a number approaching infinity"

so as you can see the statement "approaching infinity" is a basic concept of Calc

by the way i minored in philosophy and out of every last word you used in the last post the only thing that deals with philosophy is the word paradox and the concept of infinity... your post would have been better if you started with mentioning english course as you went on to give me a definition and not discuss philosophy
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Quote (ian232003 @ Jun 9 2011 04:44pm)
haha dude you embarras your self

your definitions just prove my point:

"unlimited or unmeasurable" so if something approaches the unlimited it means it is of a size that is beyond massive, however it stil can exist as a measurable size ie. it is not unmeasurable

calculus uses limits to calculate both infinitesimally small numbers and numbers that approach infinity

limit 0 means that the number can go on indefinitely so long as it does not hit 0 ie. 0.1, 0.001. 0.00001 and so on this is also stated as "a number approaching zero"
limit infinity means that the number can just keep growing this is also referred to as "a number approaching infinity"

so as you can see the statement "approaching infinity" is a basic concept of Calc

by the way i minored in philosophy and out of every last word you used in the last post the only thing that deals with philosophy is the word paradox and the concept of infinity... your post would have been better if you started with mentioning english course as you went on to give me a definition and not discuss philosophy


You note the definition, and yet you still try and argue its meaning. Hilarious.

If you minored in Philosophy then you would know its a way of analyzing and assessing problems, and not a language.

To point out where you're wrong, since i know you just like to argue and clearly ignore facts presented before you.

You stated the word infinity as an object, or as a number. Thus rendering it a noun (refer to definition of Infinite as a noun)

The OP spoke of infinite mass, therefore rendering the word an adjective (refer to definition of infinite used as adjective).

Since i was answering him, and not you. My point has never been anything but pertinent, and yours unfortunately has nothing to do with what either of us stated.

Hug your calc goodnight, was gd's.

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Jun 10 2011 10:23am
the big bang is clearly God having very good sex
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