Quote (P_Pepa @ Dec 29 2010 04:51pm)

I wont answer your question until you answer mine, until then have fun.
"science proves physical things, the soul your speaking about isnt physical, so how would you explain something not physical using your senses? "

im the brainwashed one 

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 09:54pm)

i felt like i didnt need to answer it since that question is extremely stupid. u are obvisouly right u cant prove things without science or ur senses but i dont see what that has to do with the whole debate in this thread? who said anything about proving something u cant sense?? see u are brainwashed u lose track of what wer talkign about 5 seconds after we start lol.

did u forget in what topic u were posting ? lol

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 09:46pm)

btw heres 5 evidence against evolution.

1. evolution needs a big bang otherwise it doesnt work. - big bang cant happen for many reasons, one being that if it was a spinning dot as they say, every galaxy, planet and sun should be spinning in the same direction (conservation of angular momentum) http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/solarsys/angmom.html , another being the fact its impossible for nothing to explode and create everything all by itself (action-reaction-cause-effect).
Im not a physics major so i cant really tell you what this is saying, and part of me thinks you have no idea what its saying aswell.

2. life has never been observed to appear from lifeless rock
So we should just believe that GOD POOFED it all into existence, yea thats more believable.

3. no1 has ever seen a positive mutation that would lead to macro-evolution.
Humans? Chickens, alligators, are all distant ancestors of dinosaurs, every living thing today, is alive because it mutated from a ealier species.

4. recorded human history only leads back to about 4 thousand years go, if modern man is 400,000 years old y have we started writing/recording so late?
Maybe because they didnt have technology, and were trying to survive?

5. The oldest fossils already found are of fully formed beings and show now transition from one to another.
idk how this is "evidence"

good luck

Quote (P_Pepa @ Dec 29 2010 05:00pm)

i read it wrong

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 10:02pm)

great now answer me the question i asked u.

"Why were you born in this body and not in another one, why wasn't someone else in your body right now?"

without the concept of a soul

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 09:55pm)

u cant explain anything thats non physical bud, no1 is trying to explain anything like that here i dont see y u keep asking me that.

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 04:49pm)

no level of logic will ever change yours either

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= http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r123/tjbb66/MuDavi2.jpg lol

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btw how do u prove something with just numbers that only that guy probably knew what they meant? lol. obviously no1 payed attention to him because they did not understand what he was talking about. now i would understand if everyone was on the same level of knowledge as he was then they would have to forcefully reject the math he had, which would be impossible.

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but if u can prove evolution with math then i am ready and listening

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 04:46pm)

btw heres 5 evidence against evolution.

1. evolution needs a big bang otherwise it doesnt work. - big bang cant happen for many reasons, one being that if it was a spinning dot as they say, every galaxy, planet and sun should be spinning in the same direction (conservation of angular momentum) http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/solarsys/angmom.html , another being the fact its impossible for nothing to explode and create everything all by itself (action-reaction-cause-effect).
You act as if the big bang theory has been disproven, it has not, and until it has been this entire argument is invalid. Even outside of that the correlation between big bang and evolution is miniscule at best.

2. life has never been observed to appear from lifeless rock
Something hasn't been observed to happen therefore it never has happened. Logical fallicy, not evidence.

3. no1 has ever seen a positive mutation that would lead to macro-evolution.
See #2

4. recorded human history only leads back to about 4 thousand years go, if modern man is 400,000 years old y have we started writing/recording so late?
I could use this same argument to ask why people in the middle ages didn't drive cars, it has no weight as evidence and is speculative at best.

5. The oldest fossils already found are of fully formed beings and show now transition from one to another.
The fossil record actually shows the oposite of this statement.

good luck

Quote (P_Pepa @ Dec 29 2010 05:04pm)

Because dude, since the sperm met the egg, we have been forming into the being we are today, How would it be possible SOMEONE ELSE is in my body, that someone else would be me, i think you need to define what makes a person, or what "someone" is.

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 29 2010 10:06pm)

by "you" i meant the consciousness that makes decisions and has a free will in that body.  keep in mind that those things are not the body itself since u can half both legs and arms cut off and still have full consciousness, make decisions, and have free will.

Quote (xguitarxherox @ Dec 29 2010 05:05pm)

I said I wasn't going to get involved but stuck at work and bored, so why not.



Of course it could, why wouldn't it?

what logic is in that ?! hahahaha


This has nothing to do with the matters at hand so I'm not sure why you brought it up.

im pretty sure u no but anyways...



The point being challenged was "from their observation there was no way they could know it was round" which is wrong. I never said anything about his works being accepted by the masses, and proof is proof regardless if everyone is not able to understand it.

right and u think im saying that proof = being accepted by the masses (exactly what i said i was against earlier). proof is proof regardless true and there was no rocket to send into space to show them on tv that the world is really round ;)  if i proved there is a god but no1 ever found out about it, it would still be proof and not accepted by the masses ( i dont see where ur going with this ) also: 1. i do believe the earth is round, 2. people had no idea what he was talking about therefore that is why it was not accepted as reality, soo... what is ur real question here?  there was no way they could know it was round since when u go outside everything looks flat, so if some guy came up to u and said look at this, and showed them a whole bunch of mathematical equations and said the earth is actually round, tey would either think hes crazy or not believe it. so see there was no way to really prove it to them that it was round since math is not something everyone is so familiar with and the only thing that could prove something is seeing it.  for example mathematically its proven that there are more than just 3 dimensions (plus time) in true reality but is it proven? of course not, math cannot prove reality unless someone has experience with that fact.

Never said I could, frankly not sure where this comment came from.

maybe u should look at the thread title and read around to see whats being talked about in here.

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Quote (P_Pepa @ Dec 29 2010 05:09pm)

Well this is where our beliefs are going to clash, i believe that things such as free will/morality/love are all made up from the mind/brain, so when you say someone, when talking about the concious part of a human your speaking about the brain, so when you said why werent you born in a different body, its because my brain resides in the body ive always had from the day it was conceived.