this. we do people insist on moving backwards? gregor mendel would be rolling over in his grave.

because our current methods are destroying the soil and the health of the citizens.

Im all for more advanced farming, but gm foods and factory farming is not even close to the answer.

best answer so far. farming is only going to get more scientifically sophisticated so get use to it.

you lmk when you can perform miracles and magic because thats the only way to have enough food for the planet and not have downsides.

you know... this is a great example of how everyone just believes that we are short of food and we lack the ability to make it. Its one thing just to have food, but when its making tons of people sick and killing them, whats the point to even doing it?

We have the ability to produce massive amounts of food without genetic modifcation. Keep in mind GM foods hit the market in the late 90's and notice how the famines world wide are getting worse. If it were true, then you have to explain to me how there is a worsning famine. Especially when the farming subsidy has sparked a lot of overproduction.

And no i will not accept GM foods. Until sufficent studies can be shown that these are safe to eat, then i will not have any and i will be strongly against it. You might not care for your own body, but the health and wellbeing of our entire population is at stake. Cross contamination from GM foods will leave no more organic varieties; and then we lose the ability to choose; and if GM foods are as bad or worse than we believe they are now, we are totally screwed.

Its interesting that third generation rats who were fed GM varieties of food, the first few generations were fine, but the subsquent generations developed lesions, gave birth to bags of water, a lot of them died very prematurly. It makes sense though; the plant might not die from the pesticide, but it is indeed absorbed into the plant, and dont for one second thing that it magically goes away when we eat it. The plant stores theses toxins just like our adipose tissue does. Also, they have to attach a promoter gene to turn on the trait they are trying to achieve. This promoter also transfers to the food, and in our bodies it can turn on just about anything.

And if all that wasnt enough, modern fertilizers are devestating the soil. Basically a fertilizer is made up of three compounds, nitrogen, phosperous and potassium. (NPK) This is to replace the 3 things that are vital to the survival of the plant. But we are losing all of the micro nutrients from the soil. Depleted soil will produce nutrient barren food; it might look and taste like an apple, but the differences between it and organic varieties in terms of nutritional content is staggering.

Lmk when you understand the biological and epidemiological ramifactions of gm foods

This post was edited by Toothfariy on Dec 17 2010 08:16pm

if you want to break things down into what ifs and maybes and personal opinions there is nothing at all in this world worth doing or having. i can't recall the last time i heard someone complain about a vegetable openly but it seems like everyday there is something about someone dieing in a car crash. you might see it as a big deal but thats because your vision is focused on potentially bad things instead of the potentially good things. sure its better for us to eat all natural foods but its simply not practical. you can keep dreaming about our food being good for us all around but in the real world people will continue to overeat/pollute/contaminate our food sources simply because its impossible to stop. you're an idealist which is fine but don't expect to see your ideals become a reality.

Awesome reply, you really stuck it to him by addressing and refuting what he said.

there is no way to do either since its generalization on both sides and short sided. the people in charge of keeping the population away from stuff bad for us says its fine and allows it so thats good enough for me but clearly not good enough for him. you lmk how i can argue with someone who doesn't believe in the superior knowledge of others.

lol'd
kid is saying shit everyone knows about

ironic you should say that; im taking into consideration a lot more than 1 source for information. Theres a wonderful book called Seeds of Deception by Jeffery Smith which compiles all the research against GM foods and trust me when i say its a lot of information. It would be a good place for you to learn somthing. Its all very well cited. Some of the sources include Hardvard Research, The Lancet, and even Monstantos own research on the subject, which somehow Monsanto just seems to leave out...

And sure you can call me an idealist, but the difference is there is actually something we can do about this that will solve MANY problems.

Im sry that you believe everything the FDA tells you; there are the same people who told us cigarettes, agent orange, asbestos, and PCB's had no adverse health effects.
Whats even funnier is that the FDA has begun harassing raw dairy farmers; depsite the fact that raw milk from grassfed cows is not only cleaner, but way more nutrient dense than commerical pasturized milk. They believe its not safe to drink milk raw, but indeed the numbers should speak for themselves. The point is, the FDA puts the health of the american people 2nd to the interest of industry. Which is why GM seeds got approved without ANY human safety testing. And i am not kidding, to my knowledge, there have been absolutly no safety testing on humans; ever.

How can they say thats safe without any evidence to back it up? It would be like Ford telling you that you'll get better gas mileage in your car if you added half a pound of mashed potatos to every tank. There is obviously no research to back that up, but hey, Ford said it, it must be true.

Its sad to see people with such strong opinions on subjects of which they know very little. You opinion is based off of very little actual knowledge of what is going on. So i would recommend you read the book i talked about above

and by the way, ive asked a few times already, show me the potentionally good stuff; i want to know what it is since i obviously fail to see any at all.

This post was edited by Toothfariy on Dec 17 2010 09:32pm

"Organic" fruit and veggies are worse for you than pesticide, they have to use a more poisonous plant so that the insects don't eat it. There is a lecture from a professor at MIT on this if you care to look it up. Also why can you people not realize that GM food is necessary, the fish DNA makes the plants frost resistant.