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May 28 2010 01:11pm
Quote (Psycho- @ May 28 2010 04:15am)
the problem is until our society gets more intelligent we will still have too many morons than can't comprehend modern science therefore think its fake and then turn to religion.


nicely put^^
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May 29 2010 01:15am
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Must science explain every single possible detail about the existence of the universe before the need for a supreme being or creator is obsolete?


And yet, we must acknowledge that something pretty incredible is going on in this reality that were inhabiting. This is where, in my view at least, spirituality comes in. I dont claim to have any answer as to whats going on here. But having a belief of some kind, be it in a god, a non-sentient life force, or simply a oneness of being (such as in Taoism, my personal favorite) is not a problem as long as it doesnt cause conflict between people or blind us to more viable/beneficial beliefs (and ultimately, the entirety of science is a belief system).

I dont think that a supreme being is necessarily an obsolete concept, it still has its uses. I do however think that it is important that we assess our beliefs with rigor and - as much as posible - with disregard for our personal point of view before we enforce them on others.
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May 29 2010 07:12pm
Quote (timesieve @ May 28 2010 11:15pm)
But having a belief of some kind, be it in a god, a non-sentient life force, or simply a oneness of being (such as in Taoism, my personal favorite) is not a problem as long as it doesnt cause conflict between people or blind us to more viable/beneficial beliefs (and ultimately, the entirety of science is a belief system).


Funny, because that's exactly what it does, cause conflict.

And you're right, the concept of a supreme being isn't yet an obsolete concept, it just gets more and more ridiculous as time progresses. How can the history of science uncovering truths regarding impossibly abstract questions leave doubt in anyone's mind that it will continue to do so?

The problem, as Psycho said, is that people's minds are so warped already that even if science proves the reasons for how or why something happened, people will still blindly deny fact and follow their faith. And yes, it is detrimental to society.
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May 29 2010 10:55pm
Quote (Anal_Destroyer @ May 18 2010 04:48pm)
Wrong. You have to wait all the way till 10:30PM for life to evolve beyond single celled organisms! In the span of roughly 1 minute, BOOM!, the Cambrian explosion. All the life we see today, in their current form, evolved, from single celled organisms, in the span of 1 minute? Is that not the most ridiculous claim ever to be made?


If the solar system were the size of Manhattan I could walk to the moon. See, i can put huge things into a retarded scale and then make absurd claims about it too.

The conservative estimates of the Cambrian explosion are over 5 million years. This is a huge amount of time. It may not be much in the lifetime of the planet but 5 million years is still a long period of time even on a geologic scale.

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May 30 2010 11:45am
Quote (smashT @ May 29 2010 09:12pm)
Funny, because that's exactly what it does, cause conflict.
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The problem, as Psycho said, is that people's minds are so warped already that even if science proves the reasons for how or why something happened, people will still blindly deny fact and follow their faith. And yes, it is detrimental to society.


Yeah. Thats true. I think most of us can agree that if the Jews and Muslims would both lighten up a little, the Middle East could settle down a little (and no, Im not suggesting that religion is the only source of conflict in the Middle East. Obviously it isnt). It doesnt have to cause conflict though. If we could form our spiritual beliefs like we do our scientific beliefs, it wouldnt be such a problem. Check out the Baha'i faith for an example of this. Granted, theyve only been around for a couple centuries, but they havent started a war yet.

Funny thing is, here I am making these arguments and Im basically an atheist.

Anyhow, sorry for jacking anals thread for a religion debate.

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If the solar system were the size of Manhattan I could walk to the moon. See, i can put huge things into a retarded scale and then make absurd claims about it too.

The conservative estimates of the Cambrian explosion are over 5 million years. This is a huge amount of time. It may not be much in the lifetime of the planet but 5 million years is still a long period of time even on a geologic scale.


Word. I havent studied the Cambrian explosion in any depth, but from what I do know about evolution, it can happen very rapidly under the right circumstances. Also, presumably (and correct me please if Im wrong here, like I said I havent studied this in depth) lifespans were shorter then. In a species that goes through many generations in a short period of time, greater evolutionary changes can occur over a shorter timespan. This is why if you take an intro level evolution class youll probably be demonstrating natural selection on bacteria and not on, say, birds or turtles.
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Jun 4 2010 02:28pm
Quote (Anal_Destroyer @ May 18 2010 03:48pm)
I will not state my religious affiliation because I do not think it is relevant.


Actually, it is relevant. Religious people have been brainwashed from early childhood. You refuse to accept the tenets of modern biology because it conflicts with your religious dogma.
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Jun 5 2010 01:43am
Quote (Anal_Destroyer @ May 18 2010 03:48pm)
Why do you continue to believe in such an outdated and cruel ideology? I'll be the first to say that, at the time, Darwin's theory was a brilliant attempt at explaining the diversity of life without the need of a creator. I will not state my religious affiliation because I do not think it is relevant. I'm a rational, reasonable, sceptical person and any theory that is sufficiently supported by evidence, I will believe in faster than you can say hot potato. I believe in almost all of the ones generally accepted within the scientific community. The reality is that this theory, the theory of evolution, doesn't hold up to the arguments against it.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that belief in evolution strongly correlates (and is causative in my opinion) with immorality within society, as it has nothing to do with the veracity of the claims it makes, so let's just examine the main problems with evolution.

Let's just say the history of life on earth, about 4 billion years (I don't believe the earth is that old but I'll grant it for the sake of argument), took place in 1 day. The beginning would be at 12:00AM and the present time would be 11:59PM. At 12:00AM, evolutionists claim that life arose in the form of single celled organisms. So surely the life, distributed across the planet (in the oceans, evolved proportionately, right? Wrong. You have to wait all the way till 10:30PM for life to evolve beyond single celled organisms! In the span of roughly 1 minute, BOOM!, the Cambrian explosion. All the life we see today, in their current form, evolved, from single celled organisms, in the span of 1 minute? Is that not the most ridiculous claim ever to be made?

The process of fossilization is very common, in fact, it's likely. Why, then, have darwinists never been able to present ONE transitional fossil? When I say "the" missing link, I'm being very generous. There are millions of missing links and evolutionists (should) know it. There's just no evidence in favour of this theory.

I'll give credit where credit is due, though. There are some fossils, within the record, radio-metrically dated with results that support evolution (if you get to cherry pick, which evolutionists always do). That is, IF radiometric dating was reliable. It isn't. There have been LIVE squids, otters, and other animals that carbon dated to be thousands of years old! How do scientists keep getting away with using these faulty methods?

If you look at any organ in any human or animal, you'll see that it was clearly designed. How could a nub of skin evolve into an eye or a pimple into an arm? If you came across a statue, say the statue of liberty, would you assume it evolved over time? NO! It's clearly designed and so, of course, you would ask who designed it. Why can't people use logic towards evolution like they can towards pretty much anything else?

Furthermore, the second law of thermodynamics posits that organized systems will, with time, become disorganized. This completely contradicts and refutes thermodynamics, so take your pick. Thermodynamics or evolution? Charles Darwin even admits this in a letter "I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science."

Lastly, although these arguments aren't scientific like the rest, Charles Darwin was a bitter man his entire life who tried to fight God with his theory. On his deathbed, however, he realized the error of his ways and actually CONVERTED to Christianity, denouncing his theory, saying he got it all wrong. WHY did people keep believing in it? He even also alluded to how heinous his theory was in his own book! "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree." - Charles Darwin

Sorry I seem to have rambled on a little bit but there are just mountains of evidence against this theory and it infuriates me that it keeps being suppressed by the scientific community, pushing their evolutionist agendas.

1) you made up a random scale with no evidence and then suggested 1 minute being an extremely small amount of time, which it obvious is but its not to scale nor accurate.
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil#Examples @ second part, don't even have to look past Wikipedia to find you to be wrong
3) lmfao obvious troll
4) trolling becoming more obvious
5) what does? ROFL
6) rly scientific arguments so far
7) seems 'seems absurd' doesn't mean its wrong

3/10 on trolling
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Jun 5 2010 02:15am
its a fine line between trolling and being a genuine moron. given that this was longer than one sentence i think this guy seriously believes this bullshit lol.
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Jun 5 2010 10:44am
Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 5 2010 01:15am)
its a fine line between trolling and being a genuine moron. given that this was longer than one sentence i think this guy seriously believes this bullshit lol.


no hes trolling
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