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Feb 20 2010 10:08am
Quote (ZvLoD @ Feb 18 2010 09:11am)
No.. we could start now and itd get there in a few light years. The sat going for Pluto still wont reach it until like 2015 i think. We sent it a few years ago.


reach what ?

and saying "itd get there in a few light years" doesnt tell how much time it will take to actually get somewhere , you know that right ?
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Feb 20 2010 02:21pm
The flyby of Pluto. And then itll keep going until we lose communications w/ it
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Feb 20 2010 09:17pm
Quote (JukeBOXX @ Feb 16 2010 01:36pm)
What is it?

What happens if something goes into one?

How is it formed?



Every object exerts gravitational force on its surroundings. The Earth exerts more force on its surface and the moon does (this is why the video of the astronauts jumping around looks funny). The Earth also exerts this force on the moon which keeps it locked in orbit around the Earth (the moon also exerts force on the Earth but lets ignore this in this case). If we were to take a giant vice and crush the earth to 1/2 of its current volume. It would have just as much mass. So it would exert just as much force on the moon as it currently does. But to a person standing on the surface of the Earth, they would feel much heavier since they would be significantly closer to the entire earth than they were before the vice crushed the Earth. The velocity needed to leave the Earth (and say fly to the moon) would become much greater than it was before it was crushed, you would have to build a much more powerful rocket.

If we kept crushing the Earth into a smaller and smaller size. A person standing on the Earth would continue to feel heavier and heaver, and you would need more and more powerful rockets to escape the Earth. Eventually you would reach a point where no rocket no matter how strong could escape. In fact you eventually reach a point where not even a beam of light moves fast enough to escape. The radius at which this happens for any object is called its Schwarzschild radius. All objects have a Schwarzschild radius. The Schwarzschild radius of the Earth would be about 1/2 an inch. So if you managed to crush it to that point, no light would be able to escape the Earth, and it would be referred to as a black hole. A black hole is simply any object whose actual radius is smaller than its Schwarzschild radius. Objects with lots of mass like stars have rather a rather large Schwarzschild radius, while smaller objects have a smaller Schwarzschild radius. An interesting thing is that if the Earth was crushed to this size, it would have little effect on the moons orbit, since the actual mass of the Earth has not changed.

Now it isn't very likely that the Earth could ever get crushed like this, but for a very large star, this is actually possible because of the complex series of nuclear reactions that take place. Basically a massive star has so much gravity that it can eventually crush itself down to this size.

Once an object has been crushed to the size where it is a black hole (remember this means the Schwarzschild radius is larger than the actual radius), it has what is called an event horizon. The event horizon is a radius around the black hole where the velocity required to escape the black hole is equal to the velocity of light. Since nothing can go faster than light this is the point of no return. Anything that crosses this point is doomed. It will be attracted with an irresistible force to the black hole. Any point outside the event horizon has an escape velocity less than the speed of light, so in principle you could move close to an event horizon and still escape. (In reality the tidal forces of a typical black hole would kill you long before you reached the event horizon, but lets not worry about that). This event horizon is the shape of the surface of a sphere around the center of mass of the black hole.

Once an object crosses the event horizon and falls into the black hole, the mass of the black hole increases, and its event horizon grows.

Now I know people will point out problems with this explanation, and yes it does have problems. It is a very simplified version but hopefully it will help the original poster.

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Feb 20 2010 11:19pm
Quote (JukeBOXX @ Feb 16 2010 03:36pm)
I have been reading several definitions of what a black hole is, how it is formed etc

But the people who wrote the explanations either know nothing and are trying to make it seem like they do, or they have no idea how to speak English using huge words that only physicist would understand and not 99% of the worlds population.

So could anyone explain just these few things to me without using unnecessary 'smart' words.

What is it? A ridiculously dense speck with greater suction power than trillions of vacuums on steroids. IIRC (it's been a looong time since I read up on it) the gravitation force is many times over that of our sun.

What happens if something goes into one? While there is no proof or 100% knowledge on the matter, it's safe to assume that it will get destroyed by the sheer density of the hole

How is it formed? The implosion of a star. To define implode, think of explode only towards the inside instead of the outside

I seen pictures of it in space and it just looks like a hurricane/cyclone cloud system, but some other sciency 3d picture showed it as a pure black bubble.. Artistic representations of black holes vary. A true picture of one would only appear as a black speck and with our technology be invisible without some sort of editing software


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Feb 21 2010 05:36pm
think of the pressure the weight of a star has on its core (thats a lot of matter!), when a very large star has turned most of its hydrogen to helium (what it burns to create heat and light) it sometimes collapses into a black hole. the gravity of the black hole is so strong that the earth would be smaller than the head of a pin if it were inside a black hole! -but- matter is never actually sucked into the hole (which is actually the opposite of a hole), it rotates around it indefinately getting closer and closer but never reaching the surface.
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Feb 24 2010 06:30am
Quote (JukeBOXX @ Feb 18 2010 10:07am)
Have they ever sent something into one of them? If so what happened?


I doubt they have sent it anything through it yet .. I dont even believe they even had a chance to yet.
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Feb 24 2010 06:56am
Quote (Mekker @ Feb 24 2010 05:30am)
I doubt they have sent it anything through it yet .. I dont even believe they even had a chance to yet.


The closest known black hole is like 1600 light years from Earth. Meaning it would take a prob 1600 years to get to it, if it could be travel at near light speed, and another 1600 years for the telemetry from the probe to get back to Earth. People were not launching space probes 3200 years ago........

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The closest known black hole is like 1600 light years from Earth. Meaning it would take a prob 1600 years to get to it, if it could be travel at near light speed, and another 1600 years for the telemetry from the probe to get back to Earth. People were not launching space probes travelling at light speed 3200 years ago........


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Mar 1 2010 09:28pm
more infos peoples!~!!, btw what would the gravity well of one look like?
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Mar 1 2010 10:27pm
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more infos peoples!~!!, btw what would the gravity well of one look like?


nothing, unless you got some magical eyes that can detect gravitons!
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