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Nov 24 2009 08:01pm
Quote (kepkep @ Nov 16 2009 01:49pm)
Human "choices" are the result of chemical reactions taking place in the brain. You're just a complex biological machine, nothing more. I know that sounds cold, but free will does not exist. Given sufficient information (google the book Single Neuron Computation, and single neuron dynamics) you could predict exactly how an organism's life will turn out.

True free will would negate cause and effect. Ultimately we're all just a very complex system. Free will is our personal experience of a system too complex for us to reliably understand.


To prove you wrong I've just shot my balls off.
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Nov 24 2009 09:42pm
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To prove you wrong I've just shot my balls off.


Not sure if this is legit.
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Nov 25 2009 03:48am
Lol thats stupid to say. "We have no freewill"

Of course we do =/

This post was edited by Xfernet on Nov 25 2009 03:48am
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Nov 25 2009 06:29am
If we are all ai then what ir real intelligence
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Nov 26 2009 11:10am
Quote (theirishguy @ Nov 25 2009 03:01am)
To prove you wrong I've just shot my balls off.


Eve if you had, which you haven't, that wouldn't be proving shit.

Quote (Xfernet @ Nov 25 2009 10:48am)
Lol thats stupid to say.  "We have no freewill"

Of course we do =/


What makes you so certain?

Quote (The_Pulverizer @ Nov 25 2009 01:29pm)
If we are all ai then what ir real intelligence


"Intelligence" is just your brain's ability to work things out and to function in a given manner given whatever stimuli.
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Nov 26 2009 01:59pm
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Nov 26 2009 02:31pm
I agree with you, we totally don't have free-will. Think about it: it is proven that it is decided what we are going to do 3 seconds before we are aware of it. The environment could change the anything, yet it has already been decided what we are going to do. This shows we are not free to do anything, because what our brain decides will be what we do, and you can't change that. since the way someone makes a decision with free will is by deciding based on the conditions that are present, not randomly. Where is the free will in that?
Also, our physical self is completely decided by things we don't control in our mental self. We don't control it either...some people are going to be more violent because it is in their genes: they don't have a say, they are not free to decide willy nilly who and what they're going to be.
There are also other genes that decide if we will believe in god or not: if you believe in god, your life is going to center around that, and you REALLY can't control it. You might go to church because you're afraid of god, or something of the matter.
Fear also determines what we do. We can't control fear, some say we can overcome it, but fear comes not from anything voluntary. We are not free to choice whatever we want, because fear disables us and drives us into things such as fear-based violence and avoidance behavior we can't turn the switch off. It is really in the brain, and nothing we can physically control, although some may say otherwise.
The brain is a creation engineered by evolution. It really has no purpose, it is nothing other than the product of chance and survivability. The art piece cannot claim to own itself, thus, we cannot have free will, because we couldn't even be considered guests in our body, because there is no self that could be considered independent from the body. There is no room for this, since everything is interdependent. There is no viewer, because nothing can exist independently. Every thing in existence is like a net connected to everything else, in the past, future and present. Nothing is independent, inherent, in and of itself, it is an illogical idea. There is no one to have free will, truly.
Things are truly not separate but interconnected. It is present if you study physics of chemistry, which I have done. There are no lines separating thing, things are only separate in the mind. We are not separate, and we do not operate independently of our environment. We exist in a complex web of ecologic webs, dependent on the air we breath, the water we drink, and the food we eat. It can determine everything, as science has proven, from what toys we'll play with, to the decisions we make. We are not free.
It's not too long, so don't tl;dr me.

This post was edited by Hahkhuearj on Nov 26 2009 02:50pm
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Nov 26 2009 04:19pm
lol yeah if you want to look at it like an idiot.
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Nov 26 2009 06:31pm
It isn't free will, it isn't determinism, rather, it is interdependence.
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Nov 26 2009 08:22pm
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, feels like a duck, smells like a duck, and hell even tastes like a duck, what's the difference between that and a real duck as long as you don't know the difference?
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