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Sep 28 2009 04:02pm
Quote (evilnemesis @ Mon, Sep 28 2009, 02:48pm)
And they can't speak ours, what is your point? That a superior species would be able to speak all the languages of all the species, do you know how absurd this is? Firstly, as you know, most animals cannot reproduce the sounds we make because of the difference between our mouth shape and dimension. Same goes for us, we would need to grow an incredible number of mouth to communicate verbally.


No comment... your not getten the point of what i said at all, and ur takin a damn line out of context

Quote (Katey @ Mon, Sep 28 2009, 02:49pm)
Maybe white does > black.. Maybe men do > women. Or maybe the other way around.
None of them have been proven wrong.

I did not call you dumb. I do not insult people. You could be smarter than me you could be dumber, but there will always be things I am smarter than you at, and things that you are smarter than me at. I personally know nothing about computer science.

You have not given any real evidence. You have not even given the definition of an animal... which should have been the first thing you stated in your argument.
You haven't given an alternative to what we could be instead. You have listed facts, but you have not connected them into one base argument. You've only said that we are "different". EVERYTHING in life is different. Literally speaking.


Er ya im pretty sure we have atleast proven that the earth isnt flat, and im pretty sure that scientists have determined that there is no way to categorize humans into different races, therefore common sense white people cant be superior to black people.

You have not given any real evidence. You have listed facts
... nice

And about us being different ive said that we are no different then any other animal so this argument You've only said that we are "different". just died.
Ive listed evidence that proves that we are similar to other animals (there would be my argument).
And also in debate weather or not to define a word is up to weather either side wants too or not, now because what an animal is is called common knowledge i chose not to define it, but if ya want me to...

Heres what it is scientificaly
"Animals are a major group of mostly multicellular, eukaryotic organisms of the kingdom Animalia or Metazoa. Their body plan eventually becomes fixed as they develop, although some undergo a process of metamorphosis later on in their life. Most animals are motile, meaning they can move spontaneously and independently. All animals are also heterotrophs, meaning they must ingest other organisms for sustenance."

and yes thats C/p thank wikipedia

Now what im talking about is what we think of as animals, thats a bit different.
What we commonly think of as animals is the very same HOWEVER many people exclude humans, and ive looked into why and could find know answer as to why, and thus i started a discussion about it.
Because you seem to believe that we are not on the same level as other animals (or that we are special) perhaps you could explain the difference between us (and thats where what ive listed comes in because it kills any valid argument)
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Sep 28 2009 04:06pm
Quote (DarkestLight @ Tue, Sep 29 2009, 05:22am)
Are Humans like any other animal? Thoughts on this?


Ill start of by saying yes, we are no different then any other animal. And for all of you who are going to use language as your main point i remind you that

1) we have proven gorillas can learn sign language
2) how can you say that animals dont have any language? do you understand every language spoken by humans? then how can you be so sure that you understand say the language of cats, dogs, even ants have a language

For those of you who use technology as your main argument i would like to point out that some monkeys use sticks as a tool to get to termites in wood. was our original technology much more advanced?
I would also like to challenge you to build a birds nest or an ant hill. I would also like to point out that my cat (Manx) can open doors. May not seem very hard to you but try it when ur 1 foot tall and you got paws instead of hands.

So ya please post what you think, however use EVIDENCE, otherwise your argument is nothing more then an uneducated opinion.
(lets have a long debate so i can get some posts!)


in our basic forms yes we are animals, but what sets us apart from them, is that we can do, think, and act our own way... as they have no basic structure

of society, and all the shitty things that come with it, like greed and misfortune,

so to classify us as animals, would be a good thing becuz although they are ignorant, they are blissful in all their days here on earth.
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Sep 28 2009 04:10pm
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in our basic forms yes we are animals, but what sets us apart from them, is that we can do, think, and act our own way... as they have no basic structure

of society, and all the shitty things that come with it, like greed and misfortune,

so to classify us as animals, would be a good thing becuz although they are ignorant, they are blissful in all their days here on earth.


Heres a scientific facts ( i can get more but im lazy :( )
Lions are predatory carnivores who manifest two types of social organization. Some are residents, living in groups, called prides.

An alpha male and a queen are also apparently not part of a society queen.

We really arnt special, thats all im sayin

This post was edited by DarkestLight on Sep 28 2009 04:10pm
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Sep 28 2009 04:11pm
Quote (DarkestLight @ Tue, Sep 29 2009, 08:10am)
Heres some scientific facts
Lions are predatory carnivores who manifest two types of social organization. Some are residents, living in groups, called prides.

An alpha male and a queen are also apparently not part of a society queen.

We really arnt special, thats all im sayin


basically what i said, we aren't nothing but chemicals formed together just the right way to maintain a mind and possibly a spirit that can or cannot make it through

this world on its own without something providing for it...

animals can live off the land while we would destroy it and hope to build something worthwhile.
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Sep 28 2009 04:14pm
Quote (Ryuk44 @ Mon, Sep 28 2009, 03:11pm)
basically what i said, we aren't nothing but chemicals formed together just the right way to maintain a mind and possibly a spirit that can or cannot make it through

this world on its own without something providing for it...

animals can live off the land while we would destroy it and hope to build something worthwhile.


But ur sayin we r different, Im sayin we r the same as animals, just a few thousand years of technology is the only difference
Both beavers and viruses destroy there surroundings like we do (there are other animals as well, but im still lazy)

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Sep 28 2009 04:16pm
Quote (DarkestLight @ Tue, Sep 29 2009, 08:14am)
But ur sayin we r different, Im sayin we r the same as animals, just a few thousand years of technology is the only difference
Both beavers and viruses destroy there surroundings like we do (there are other animals as well, but im still lazy)


they don't destroy it... they take what was already destroyed by natural causes... and only enough to have a home, we take and take and take...

till nothing is left, therefor relying on other people to get it for us...

they can do it all on thier own with the help of nature.
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Sep 28 2009 04:18pm
Quote (DarkestLight @ Mon, Sep 28 2009, 06:14pm)
But ur sayin we r different, Im sayin we r the same as animals, just a few thousand years of technology is the only difference
Both beavers and viruses destroy there surroundings like we do (there are other animals as well, but im still lazy)


He meant destroying with the knowledge that it is destroying things, and also destroying his own species.

Beavers only know that they need a home to protect themselves from predator ( and a damn good one at that )

While viruses can only live by destroying others.
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Sep 28 2009 04:19pm
Quote (Ryuk44 @ Mon, Sep 28 2009, 03:16pm)
they don't destroy it... they take what was already destroyed by natural causes... and only enough to have a home, we take and take and take...

till nothing is left, therefor relying on other people to get it for us...

they can do it all on thier own with the help of nature.


I doubt that forests would do very well if there where 6.5 billion Beavers, because theres not 6.5 billion of em its kinda hard to compare there impact to ours
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Sep 28 2009 04:19pm
Quote (DarkestLight @ Mon, Sep 28 2009, 04:02pm)
No comment... your not getten the point of what i said at all, and ur takin a damn line out of context



Er ya im pretty sure we have atleast proven that the earth isnt flat, and im pretty sure that scientists have determined that there is no way to categorize humans into different races, therefore common sense white people cant be superior to black people.


Yeah, the Earth isn't 2 dimensional. And no, it's not common sense at all. A white person could be superior to a black person, or the same can be said about any races. Black people have denser muscles and can withstand the sun better. White people can withstand the cold better and... float better. There are differences, and so, a superiority can be found. It would just be an insignificant superiority.

Nothing has been proven. That being said, not many things like this really can be proven at all.

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You have not given any real evidence. You have listed facts... nice


The sky is blue. This supports my claim that water is better than Gatorade. See what I mean now?

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And about us being different ive said that we are no different then any other animal so this argument You've only said that we are "different". just died.


I'm haven't stated arguments. I've stated problems with yours.

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Ive listed evidence that proves that we are similar to other animals (there would be my argument).
And also in debate weather or not to define a word is up to weather either side wants too or not, now because what an animal is is called common knowledge i chose not to define it, but if ya want me to...


The definition of an animal is not common knowledge. The true definition of an animal is very specific, and not common at all, as you just illustrated for us:

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Heres what it is scientificaly
"Animals are a major group of mostly multicellular, eukaryotic organisms of the kingdom Animalia or Metazoa. Their body plan eventually becomes fixed as they develop, although some undergo a process of metamorphosis later on in their life. Most animals are motile, meaning they can move spontaneously and independently. All animals are also heterotrophs, meaning they must ingest other organisms for sustenance."


Kind of sounds just like humans.

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Now what im talking about is what we think of as animals, thats a bit different.
What we commonly think of as animals is the very same HOWEVER many people exclude humans, and ive looked into why and could find know answer as to why, and thus i started a discussion about it.
Because you seem to believe that we are not on the same level as other animals (or that we are special) perhaps you could explain the difference between us (and thats where what ive listed comes in because it kills any valid argument)


We are different from other animals as is. Yes, maybe we evolved before another species, but we are still superior right now. We have demonstrated this superiority by overpowering every other animal in existence, and spread across the entire planet. Nobody can say what will happen millenniums from now. We could be at the bottom of the food chain by then. When people say we are the most superior race on the planet, they refer to RIGHT NOW.

Yes, a monkey can put up a stick to get termites. All that demonstrates is that they have the capacity to think. Every animal can think. It's part of the definition. You can't use the definition of an animal as a similarity in an argument as to why humans are not different from other animals.

That's like saying 1 and 2 are not different because they are both numbers.

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Quote (DarkestLight @ Tue, Sep 29 2009, 08:19am)
I doubt that forests would do very well if there where 6.5 billion Beavers, because theres not 6.5 billion of em its kinda hard to compare there impact to ours


their impact is very little to what we do to all forests...and everything else...
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