Quote (TeH SaNdMaN @ Wed, May 20 2009, 04:34pm)
You're wrong, a majority of religious accept Evolution as truth, they just believe that God was the driving force behind it. That being said looks more like a reptilian to me.
Not necessarily, the fact is that most Americans believe in the creation of humans as being a deed of God, namely humans are descended through some godly process of "evolution" if you call it that, intelligent design my friend.
You can use science to describe the fact that things occur in the context of religion only problem is, its hypocrisy and incorrect. The fact is that this fossil explains that humans and great apes are different organisms that evolved in different ways that are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE in trait evolution, since the ancestor is common.
I think you believe that you can use science to explain religion somehow, that is Incorrect. Sorry.
We won this time, about the origins of humans, +1 for science. Next up, the Universe.
Quote (Kamikizzle @ Wed, May 20 2009, 10:10pm)
youre just an idiot. the creationists of christianity is a small portion compared to the rest of the religion.
as for those who are "religious" do not all follow the bible. not only have you demonstrated that you think all relgious people are christians, but you have also incorrectly and greatly exaggerated the fraction of christians who are creationists
You can't play intellectual "Gotcha" games with intelligent design, especially in a conversation about Science.
edit: I will find psychology readings, sheesh.
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1987: Beliefs of American earth and life scientists:
According to Newsweek in 1987:
"By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..."
That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms to be about 0.14% 5
The American public generally believes quite differently.
1982 to 2004: Gallup polls:
The Gallup Organizations periodically asks randomly selected American adults about their beliefs on evolution and creation. They have conducted a poll of U.S. adults on at least six occasions between 1982 and 2004. By keeping the wording of their questions identical, each year's results are comparable to the others. This facilitates the detection of trends. 10
Belief system> Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution
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Year
God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. God had no part in this process.
1982-JUL 44% 38% 9%
1993-JUN 47 35 11
1997-NOV 44 39 10
1999-AUG 47 40 9
2001-FEB 45 37 12
2004-NOV 45 38 13
One might expect a gradual increase in support for the creationist view, because of the increasing percentage of older Americans -- the Baby Boomers born shortly after World War II. People tend to be more committed to religion with age. However, support for creationism seems to be stagnant, not growing.
There may be a slight increase in beliefs in naturalistic evolution in recent years.
1991: Gallup Poll showing breakdown by sex, education, etc:
Results for the poll taken between 1991-NOV-21 and 24 were:
Belief system> Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution
Beliefs>
God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. God had no part in this process.
Everyone 47% 40% 9%
Men 39% 45% 11.5%
Women 53% 36% 6.6%
College graduates 25% 54% 16.5%
No high school diploma 65% 23% 4.6%
Income over $50,000 29% 50% 17%
Income under $20,000 59% 28% 6.5%
Caucasians 46% 40% 9%
African-Americans 53% 41% 4%
These results show how difficult it is for people to maintain their beliefs in creationism in college.
1997: Gallup Poll comparing scientists with the general population:
Note the major differences between the beliefs of the general population and of scientists:
Belief system Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution
Group of adults God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation. Man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life. God had no part in this process.
Everyone 44% 39% 10%
Scientists 5% 40% 55%
The "scientist" group would presumably include biologists and geologists. But it would also include persons with professional degrees in fields unrelated to evolution, such as computer science, chemical engineering, physics, psychology, business administration, etc.
Political science professor George Bishop of the University of Cincinnati published a paper in 1998-AUG listing and interpreting 1997 poll data.
"Bishop notes that these figures have remained remarkably stable over time. These questions were first asked about 15 years ago, and the percentages in each category are almost identical. Moreover, the profiles of each group has been constant. Just as when these questions were first asked 15 years ago, creationists continue to be older, less educated, Southern, politically conservative, and biblically literal (among other things). Women and African-Americans were more likely to be creationists than whites and men. Meanwhile, younger, better educated, mainline Protestants and Catholics were more likely to land in the middle as theistic evolutionists." 1
1999: Fox News
During 1999-AUG-25 & 26, Fox News asked what is the more likely explanation for the origin of human life: the theory of evolution as outlined by Darwin and other scientists, or the biblical account of creation. Results were:
bullet Evolution: 15%
bullet Biblical creation: 50%
bullet Both: 26%
This poll reveals the widespread lack of knowledge of theories of origins. In discussing human origins, Darwin described the evolution of apes and humans from an ancient common ancestor. He believed that species can be tracked further back for billions of years until the first form of life appeared: a single cell. The Bible talks about God creating the first two humans -- one man and one woman -- out of mud, independently of other species. The two belief systems are mutually exclusive and cannot be harmonized. 10
2000: Beliefs among some Internet surfers:
The Christianity section of About.com conducted a poll of its readers during 2000-SEP. They listed two responses which more or less agree with the creationist, and theistic evolution beliefs. Their third response, that evolution is a fact, would probably have received the votes of most believers in naturalistic evolution.
Their final option would probably have been selected by some creationists who believe that students should be exposed to all belief systems, and by others who are undecided. Results were:
Belief system Creationist view Theistic evolution Naturalistic Evolution Neutral
Group of adults Evolution is an unproven theory, contrary to God's revealed truth. Evolution was simply the means God chose to create life on this planet. Evolution is not just a theory, it is a fact. Evolution may be an unproven theory, but it is important enough to merit study in our school systems.
Self-selected 27% 15% 50% 8%
These results are based on 2,904 votes. The margin of error in this poll is ±1.8 percentage points.
Needless to say, the Internet surfers who responded to the poll are are not necessarily typical of surfers generally, or of the general public. 7
2005-MAR: NBC News:
NBC News conducted a survey between 2005-MAR-8 and 10. They asked about the origin of human life -- whether it happened by evolution or "the biblical account of creation." If they answered the biblical account, they were then asked whether they believed that "God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh," or that God was "... a divine presence in the formation of the universe."
Results were:
bullet Humans came to be via evolution: 33%
bullet God created the world in 6 days: 44%
bullet God was a divine presence: 13%
bullet Don't know: 10%
We are at a loss to understand what "God as a divine presence" means as far as origin of the species is concerned.
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2005-JUL: Pew Research poll:
Between 2005-JUL-7 and 17, Pew Research asked about the history of humans and other species: whether they "...have existed in their present form since the beginning of time," or have evolved over time." If the subject selected evolution, then they were asked an additional question: whether the evolution was driven by natural processes or guided by a supreme being.
Results were as follows. We have included similar results from a Gallup poll of eight months earlier for comparison:
bullet Existed in present form only: 42% (Creationist); cf. 45% for Gallup.
bullet Evolved via natural processes: 26% (Naturalistic evolution); cf. Gallup's 13%
bullet Evolved via God's guidance:: 18% (Theistic evolution); cf. Gallup's 38% for
bullet Don't know: 14%
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