There are things smaller then atoms, there must exist things bigger then what we call the universe.

Maybe you should go check what reality is instead of just reading about it.

Perhaps you advocate yourself as a proponent of "science", and I don't deny that it is imperative that we pursue such studies, but what you are TRYING to find here is utterly impossible. You can make all the extrapolations you want about me and what I think, but in the end your "philosophical ponderings" will remain so because our universe is just so damn big.

You do realize that, pouring more money, putting out more satellites... none of that will advance your goal of finding out what the universe is part of right? If we are to truly explore it, then it will most definitely need a genius to come along and do something revolutionary for aeronautics, because we simply don't have the technology right now and I'm willing to say that "genius" will sadly never come along. Instead of lecturing me on your philosophy of how you think its more important to find your own purpose in life, maybe you should read something like one of Carl Sagan's books, or Michio Kaku's books -- it'll give you a perspective of what our universe is and perhaps if you can fit it into your brain, how big it is.

There are distances in this universe which you could not traverse in a life time at speeds near c... as of now we travel NO WHERE near that speed. Plus our galaxy is about 100,000 light years in diameter (sun is located about...a third away from the edge which means 16,666 light years away.

Anyways, I respect your opinion and I'm done arguing, you can think whatever you want.

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I know how big it is

I'm still not arguing about space exploration, or trying to find ways to travel light years away

what are you talking about :\

"before the discovery of the ideas of electricity, this is exactly what we thought it was, useless

pointless ideas? I think knowing the reason and purpose of existence holds quite a point

Life is not that significant as compared to existence" (you a couple posts back)


So you plan to find the purpose of existence by just "pondering" about it? Very well then, it was my mistake to assume that it took some amount of physical journey outside of our own tiny solar system.

right

yes, I said that before you explained more of what you believe


so you think traveling outside our solar system or galaxy will tell us purpose or how we exist?

the mysteries of existence itself cannot be observed physically, you can only use logical thinking to try to explain something that cannot be explained


you started talking about how it costs so much money to ask and answer this question, yet it doesn't cost any money at all because money won't help you reach it

Thats what I was saying... anyhow, since the topic originally started as thinking of the universe as part of something bigger and then you saying it was important to think about these things because knowing our the purpose of our existence was important as well... I correlated the two and thought you meant that finding out what the universe is part of is part of knowing our purpose in life, which will probably mean exploring, observing and analyzing (all of which cost money, a lot of it).

Oh and philosophically I disagree :P, I believe we must all give ourselves a purpose in life -- not sit and ponder one. (From my point of view) Someone is not born with a destiny, but with a specific set of probable options to choose from (well, if your parents were boat builders, then one options for you would be to follow them but you would probably not have the option of becoming the king).

Edit: I like the quote in your sig its pretty damn spot on.

This post was edited by BovineDesi on Apr 22 2009 06:24pm

I somewhat agree with you to find your own purpose in life, but we can't exactly find our purpose in relation with the rest of existence, we can only find our purpose in relation to what we know (society, family, etc), so pondering these kinds of questions can at least open some doors to a new room altogether

however I can't say I believe much in free will, I'm more of a determinist

we make decisions based on genetics, previous experiences, and surroundings, none of which we have control over

those are the variables of who we are, and when we are born into this world, we are unwillingly attached to these variables which directs where life takes us

I find it pretty impossible to argue against the deterministic view

This post was edited by Duress_x on Apr 22 2009 07:47pm

um.........

I can't say the determinist stance isn't some what true, but there are so many instances where for example kids in the ghettos have come up to lead a very successful life, or people without so much as high school diplomas becoming CEO's of huge corporations. I can agree to the fact that they've been given a set of options, the most probable being staying in the ghetto, 2nd most probable might be to graduate from a decent college and get a good job and least probable would be becoming truly wealthy and successful (just examples)... but in the end, it is based on their choice, their will power to come up on their own against the odds. Unless you consider will power and persistence as things we have no control over (which I don't believe is true at all).