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Jan 14 2009 07:40pm
Quote (Dr_zoidberg71 @ Thu, Jan 15 2009, 12:48am)
Vacuum welding, aka cold welding, is basically a myth.  There are *no*
documented cases of it actually occurring in orbit, except in experiments
deliberately designed to provoke it (with susceptible materials, great
care to avoid contamination, and deliberate mechanical removal of oxide
layers etc.).

A number of early problems were ascribed to cold welding, but those are
now thought to have been mostly cases of galling -- surface damage due to
metal-to-metal rubbing -- with lubrication absent, inadequate, improper,
or migrated.  A few others were simple design botches.  No spacecraft
anomalies have been attributed to cold welding since 1966, around the time
when people started having doubts about its reality.

No cold welding was found anywhere in LDEF's mechanical systems.  All
apparent cases of it were eventually shown to be galling damage during
installation, or improper removal techniques leading to galling then.
(Stainless-steel fasteners, in particular, gall very easily.)
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Interesting, I didn't think about it twice too much, but the thought did pass my mind once or twice of why I'd never heard of such cases of metals combining on Earth...even accidentally. I mean I don't know too about the oxidation rates of these metals and how long it takes to create this thin layer (enough to keep metals from 'fusing'), but there had to have been at least one place on this Earth where two metals could have rubbed together so fast, in presence of fire (Oxygen eater) -- and without lubricant...wouldn't those metals have 'fused'? But I've never ever heard of that happening...
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Jan 14 2009 08:17pm
something else interesting is that in space crystals form practically flawlessly because of the (almost) perfect homogeneity of the liquid due to the different gravitational situation.

I believe metals that were forged in space (particularly various alloy mixtures) would be very strong.
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Quote (BovineDesi @ Wed, Jan 14 2009, 06:40pm)
Interesting, I didn't think about it twice too much, but the thought did pass my mind once or twice of why I'd never heard of such cases of metals combining on Earth...even accidentally. I mean I don't know too about the oxidation rates of these metals and how long it takes to create this thin layer (enough to keep metals from 'fusing'), but there had to have been at least one place on this Earth where two metals could have rubbed together so fast, in presence of fire (Oxygen eater) -- and without lubricant...wouldn't those metals have 'fused'? But I've never ever heard of that happening...


you've basically just described welding. Welding melts the two pieces of metal to be welded along with the welding wire into one piece of metal. whether they rubbed together or were melted by an arc of electricity, these metals were fused by heat.
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Jan 15 2009 02:59am
we work around this ^^
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Jan 15 2009 03:18am
Quote (unghghgh @ Thu, Jan 15 2009, 02:30am)
you've basically just described welding. Welding melts the two pieces of metal to be welded along with the welding wire into one piece of metal. whether they rubbed together or were melted by an arc of electricity, these metals were fused by heat.


Realized that afterwards... but I'm not even talking about heats up to those extremes. I just mean 'enough' to rub off that layer of oxide...is it even possible or is the formation of that layer instantaneous?
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Quote (BovineDesi @ Thu, Jan 15 2009, 03:18am)
Realized that afterwards... but I'm not even talking about heats up to those extremes. I just mean 'enough' to rub off that layer of oxide...is it even possible or is the formation of that layer instantaneous?


If you suck up all the air in a room and then do your cold welding, sure. In Earth's atmosphere there is oxygen everywhere. It's not going to happen in nature.
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