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Quote (ChaosDealer73 @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 07:27pm)
As far as we know, teleportation is not possible. Why? Teleportation is instant and although light speed is extremely fast, it is not instantaneous, so the actual idea of teleportation is not possible. Now, going to a more scientific theory (none of that paranormal stuff) if we could dematerialize something and transmit it as information, and restructure it at another place, that could work.

However, we come into some severe problems with this theory as well. How does one transfer the material that makes up a person? Carbon, Nitrogen, Water, and all of those components that make a person cannot be turned into electronic information and beamed somewhere. Or can it? I'd like to hear some theories on this.

Stemming from that idea, if say we had the raw materials at the other point and we had perfected the reconstruction of a human being (and it worked properly) what about our memories? The idea of a soul or something of that nature thrown out, how do we move memories about? Simply reconnecting all the nerve endings and firing the same neurons would not make memories or cause memories to be kept. Why? Memory is just something that's there. In order for it to be transfered in this sense, it would have to have a physical manifestation. This brings up the question of whether or not information/memory have mass. As far as I know, humans do not think in binary and therefore we could not just turn that into data that would be dumped into our brains, so how would one logically preserve thoughts and memories in the instance of teleportation?


This is more scientific philosophy and theorizing, but I still find it interesting. What do you all think?



i believe in australia a few scientists actually got an atom to appear at two places at once.... forcing it to teleport through a mass...(not sure if it was glass or what.)

so... eh.
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Jan 12 2009 09:39pm
I actually used a fair amount of common sense and decided light travel is instantaneous, the faster you move.. the faster you move. If you move at the speed of light then you also move at the speed of time, Einsteins theory of relativity tells us this. Knowing this, moving at the speed of light would mean we would be traveling instantaneously and therefor we would be teleporting.

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i believe in australia a few scientists actually got an atom to appear at two places at once.... forcing it to teleport through a mass...(not sure if it was glass or what.)

so... eh.


It's called superposition smile.gif

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Quote (BovineDesi @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 10:32pm)
Well teleportation is definately possible -- atleast on the quantum (very very small) level. A particle of light itself can be teleported, instantly -- this is how quantum mechanics works.


yes, its one fuck of a long shot that we would even be able to create mechanism advanced enough to turn an object into particles , and reanimate it exactly but you couldnt concider it impossible, its fesible.

theres a problem with people though... how can you be sure that your memories will remain in tact, after being particlized and reanimated.

unless you downloaded your memories into a computer chip

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Quote (ChaosDealer73 @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 05:27pm)
As far as we know, teleportation is not possible. Why? Teleportation is instant and although light speed is extremely fast, it is not instantaneous, so the actual idea of teleportation is not possible. Now, going to a more scientific theory (none of that paranormal stuff) if we could dematerialize something and transmit it as information, and restructure it at another place, that could work.

However, we come into some severe problems with this theory as well. How does one transfer the material that makes up a person? Carbon, Nitrogen, Water, and all of those components that make a person cannot be turned into electronic information and beamed somewhere. Or can it? I'd like to hear some theories on this.

Stemming from that idea, if say we had the raw materials at the other point and we had perfected the reconstruction of a human being (and it worked properly) what about our memories? The idea of a soul or something of that nature thrown out, how do we move memories about? Simply reconnecting all the nerve endings and firing the same neurons would not make memories or cause memories to be kept. Why? Memory is just something that's there. In order for it to be transfered in this sense, it would have to have a physical manifestation. This brings up the question of whether or not information/memory have mass. As far as I know, humans do not think in binary and therefore we could not just turn that into data that would be dumped into our brains, so how would one logically preserve thoughts and memories in the instance of teleportation?


This is more scientific philosophy and theorizing, but I still find it interesting. What do you all think?


sry man but u said a lot of not so smart things in this

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i would have figured more ppl in this thread would have heard about that guy

my record is 360 digits!!! loool

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Quote (Ghidorah @ Tue, Jan 13 2009, 06:09am)
yes, its one fuck of a long shot that we would even be able to create mechanism advanced enough to turn an object into particles , and reanimate it exactly but you couldnt concider it impossible, its fesible.

theres a problem with people though... how can you be sure that your memories will remain in tact, after being particlized and reanimated.

unless you downloaded your memories into a computer chip


unless we can some how map every person's brain, with all the wiring and stuff right in place....thats not gonna happen. Though I think that teleporting big things might one day happen. Probably never humans though.
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Quote (JesperIF @ Mon, Jan 12 2009, 02:42pm)
I read somewhere that they managed to teleport information from an atom to another. I think it was on discoverymagazine or something.



The body will teleport, but will the soul follow? I don't exactly believe in the concept of soul but here's what I think.

Let's say some supercomputer analyzes you and reconstructs you somewhere else without destructing the original version. You've been cloned, and you "live" in the first body. Now, let's say you die, or the computer eliminates you. A copy of yourself still lives, but YOU are dead. I don't know if you understand what I mean. Nobody will EVER make the difference. But the original you will be dead. That thought freaks me out.

Now, if the supercomputer analyzes and reconstructs you somewhere else, destroying at the same time the original version...It's pretty much the same thing. Because of this, I would never try teleportation.

That is ofc based on the theory that you can only teleport information.


Lets say its gonna work the way you wrote, that we're getting scanned and "disassembled" ( not sure if thats the proper word), then sent as a some sort of digital image to another place where you'll get reconstructed back to your form. But for that information to be sent, first it would have to be stored on lets say future hard drive, so basically you could be easily recreated multiple times, just like burning a dvd image on your computer, don't you think?.
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Jan 14 2009 12:35am
I say no because of Heisenberg which has already been mentioned, and also because of the amount of data it would take to actually map out all the atoms in a persons body and reconstruct them.



Unless we reach a future where normal hard drives have yottabytes of data on them, it won't happen tongue.gif


Yottabyte = 1000^8 bytes or 1000000000000000 gigabytes for those of you who don't want to look it up.
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Quote (nomadwgk @ Wed, Jan 14 2009, 12:23am)
Lets say its gonna work the way you wrote, that we're getting scanned and "disassembled" ( not sure if thats the proper word), then sent as a some sort of digital image to another place where you'll get reconstructed back to your form. But for that information to be sent, first  it would have to be stored on lets say future hard drive, so basically you could be easily recreated multiple times, just like burning a dvd image on your computer, don't you think?.


That's pretty much what I meant.
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Quote (BovineDesi @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 10:32pm)
Well teleportation is definately possible -- atleast on the quantum (very very small) level. A particle of light itself can be teleported, instantly -- this is how quantum mechanics works.


Bullshit. A photon always travels at C, the speed of light.

If you want something about faster than light and quantum physics then look up quantum entanglement.
Here's a good article on it:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/19793

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