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Jan 28 2011 10:12am
Its all part of it, it even says in the bible:

Matthew 24:29 (Jesus Talking)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

It explains how "after the 7 year Great Tribulation" these things will come to pass. Are we in the great tribulation now? Could be. Is it beginning? Jesus tells us in Matthew 24



Here is the whole of "Matthew 24" for those who are interested to see what Jesus said about the end times: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+24&version=KJV or just look in any bible.
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Jan 28 2011 02:14pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Jan 26 2011 11:25pm)
The Milky Way Galaxy that our Solar System Orbits is a Supermassive Black Hole

The "core" pictured here is the "Black Hole"

Even though its not exactly "black" lol

Anyways, I made the wave movement a bit exaggerated in the drawing, but what people need to understand is this Solar System orbits the galaxy just like how our planets orbit the star (sun)... But in a galactic orbit, all the stars move together, and travel almost in a wavelike motion above and below the gravitational ecliptic plane of the Milky Way Galaxy.

When we go through the "Gravitational Plane" the influence will cause the sun to "burst" almost like a beacon when it suddenly lights up for a moment (the "moment" being a few days, perhaps even a week in order for the sun to fully pass through the influence of the flat "plane") This additional energy causes such a massive blow-off from the sun that it wipes out life.

http://oi51.tinypic.com/1043meq.jpg

this is heretical babble taken from pseudo-scientists. there is no evidence supporting any of this end of the world crap. if there was we wouldnt be able to predict an exact date. proof? we have been examining our neighbor stars for decades (ahead of us in galactic orbit), they have never shown any signs of anything like this.
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Jan 29 2011 03:14am
theres two different perspectives upon this topic

1) If the matter is natural

2) If it is an excuse for some country to try for a global heist.
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Jan 29 2011 06:30am
Quote (Torm1 @ Jan 28 2011 08:12am)
Its all part of it, it even says in the bible:

Matthew 24:29 (Jesus Talking)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"




isnt this the dialogue to diablo III?
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Jan 29 2011 11:48am
Will the rich kings, governors, and people with billions of dollars be able to escape from this planet at the last minute?

Definitely a good thing to think about, whats interesting is the scriptures tell us those rich people, governors, rulers, and kings of the earth who try to hide in bunkers or mountains or get away, will actually be killed.

Here is just a small sample of the many:

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Job 34:22

There is no dark place, no deep shadow, where evildoers can hide.


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Amos 9:3

And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:


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Isaiah 2:8-12

Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:

And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.

Go into the rocks, hide in the ground from dread of the LORD and the splendor of his majesty!

Human pride will be brought down, and human arrogance will be humbled. Only the LORD will be exalted on that day of judgment.

For the LORD of Heaven's Armies has a day of reckoning. He will punish the proud and mighty and bring down everything that is exalted.


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Revelation 6:15

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:


All these verses and many more talk about it.

Will the rich men be able to Hide from the LORD and His armies and when He seeks them out at the end of the age?

Can anyone hide from He who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb?
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Jan 29 2011 04:10pm
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Will the rich kings, governors, and people with billions of dollars be able to escape from this planet at the last minute?

Definitely a good thing to think about, whats interesting is the scriptures tell us those rich people, governors, rulers, and kings of the earth who try to hide in bunkers or mountains or get away, will actually be killed.

Here is just a small sample of the many:

All these verses and many more talk about it.

Will the rich men be able to Hide from the LORD and His armies and when He seeks them out at the end of the age?

Can anyone hide from He who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb?


So lets say you're wrong about 2012

Would that maybe make you question your faith in the bible? Maybe you would start to rely on scientific literature, rather than vague superstition from a 2000 year old book?

I know you're going to say "well what if YOU are wrong?" Well then we'll all die in 2012 and theres not a thing i can do about it.
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Jan 29 2011 04:41pm
It doesn't necessarily have to be 2012 when everything goes down, it could be sooner, it could be later.

All we know is that its near, because Jesus said: "When you see all these things happening at once, know that its near, even at the door" (Listed in "Matthew 24" any bible or google it.)
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Jan 29 2011 04:57pm
You should have set a poll when you made topic
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No i'm not.
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Jan 29 2011 04:58pm
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So lets say you're wrong about 2012

Would that maybe make you question your faith in the bible? Maybe you would start to rely on scientific literature, rather than vague superstition from a 2000 year old book?

I know you're going to say "well what if YOU are wrong?" Well then we'll all die in 2012 and theres not a thing i can do about it.


the bible doesnt have an exact date on when this happens and it also says "near" which is also vague.

that aside, if the bible had a faulty prediction, people could still view it as a test of faith. even though something was predicted wrong, a religious person could say that jesus/god purposely did that just to test peoples' faith in the aftermath.
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Jan 29 2011 10:55pm
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the bible doesnt have an exact date on when this happens and it also says "near" which is also vague.

that aside, if the bible had a faulty prediction, people could still view it as a test of faith. even though something was predicted wrong, a religious person could say that jesus/god purposely did that just to test peoples' faith in the aftermath.


doesnt ne one see that as a self prepuating denial system? The entire mechanism of god is so that there is a cop out for everything. This is talked about all the time; and not once have i heard a rational response from religous folk. When a prayer isnt answered; one will say "that is gods will, he was too busy, or has a plan". On the other hand, the prayer was "answered" as it were; then they would say that god did it.

At what point does this just become a self defeating nonsensical way to go about life?

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It doesn't necessarily have to be 2012 when everything goes down, it could be sooner, it could be later.

All we know is that its near, because Jesus said: "When you see all these things happening at once, know that its near, even at the door" (Listed in "Matthew 24" any bible or google it.)


I will once again point out how many times we've been in the "end times", still very vague

1982 there was something similar to 2012.
There was the Y2K
Pope Innocent III computed that 1284 would be the 2nd coming of christ by adding 666 years onto the date the that Islam was founded
1832 with Joseph Smith; who thought he had spoken to god

The list goes on and on. There is absolutly nothing in the noted peer reviewed scientific literature that we are coming to an end. There is an obvious lack of acuracy in the bible regarding this; or could be an misintreprtation altogether.

It is sad, but i know that after 2012, its going to be said that god has his own will and that it was only a test. The end times have supposed to have been here so many times; what makes your case more credible than any other?
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