Quote (thesnipa @ May 23 2016 03:04pm)

Well the magnets have an initial cost, they certainly aren't free from the local magnet tree. Neither is there a computer fan tree, superglue tree, electric wire tree, nor steel pieces tree. The lightbulb is irrelevant however. I'm simply pointing out this machine has input costs.

I'm not sure if a permanent magnet would have the same effect, that magnet in the video looks like a magnetized piece of metal which i've been told lose magnetism over time, thus the name permanent magnet. I think a permanent magnet would fail to power much and a magnetized magnet yields as much energy as was put into it, with no net gain. Friction both on the air and any turning shafts needs to be taken into account as well as the heat created by this friction, at the shaft.

My main point is that these machines are not free energy, but rather cheap energy with a low scale application. I don't think that a large scale operation would be practical, such as a power plant generator. But a small scale application such as an emergency flashlight or another item would be a good use. Want to power your house with this technology? that is likely to cost you a good deal unless you have access to free magnets which would be the most expensive part.

Here are some relevant threads to perpetual motion magnet machines:

http://www.scienceforums.com/topic/27418-magnetic-perpetual-motion-generators-unlimited-energy-source/
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/2167/can-magnets-rotate-infinitely
http://www.instructables.com/answers/how-to-make-permanent-magnet-motor-is-it-true-it/
http://reedmagneticmotor.com/

Quote (thesnipa @ May 23 2016 04:45pm)

I have a bachelors degree in criminal justice and a minor in stats, specifically criminal justice stats. I was going to law school until last spring semester while also holding down my current dayjob as a mechanical draftsmen. I got this position because i needed money to put me through law school, started as an assembly position on the floor right out of my undergrad after a very short stint in insurance sales. A draftsmen upstairs was fired a bit later for looking at porn so i bought a textbook for Autocad 2013 learned the basics in a week and applied for the job. I convinced the engineering manager to give me a shot and 2 years later am still here. I was going to law school while working as a draftsmen but was approached by the CFO to start grooming for a project management position instead. So my choice was between paying 40-50k$ more to finish the last 1/2 - 2/3 of my law degree or having my 2 year degree in project management paid for me by the company, which is about 10-15k. So a 50-65k$ swing in my debt. Plus PMs here make between 80-100k so the tradeoff with a lawyer in my area was negligible. I will complete my PM schooling hopefully next year at semester break, but perhaps in the spring if i cant fit a class into my schedule.

Any other brain busters Card_Sultan?

you know the last few times you've played this Card (pun intended) i've challenged you to run down YOUR educational and employment history and you disappear every time. Will this be any different?

Quote (remco6 @ May 23 2016 05:17pm)

This post pretty much covers everything you need to know about this unless card wants to start arguing that the laws of thermodynamics are hoaxs like gravity?

Quote (remco6 @ May 23 2016 09:01pm)

Did you just stop at heat and energy in your brief Wikipedia peek at thermodynamics ? the relation to energy and work is quite relevant a magnetic potential is converted to kinetic and then to electric energy. Just how efficiently though is the question.

If this was feasible past a Canadian tire 29.99$ no batteries required light we would be utilizing it already. It is safe to say the efficiency and start-up cost at a larger scale is quite poor.

Which is exactly what thesnipa said in his post I quoted.

Quote (card_sultan @ May 23 2016 04:57pm)

So you state magnets will lose power if you use them and you expect me to believe your made up schooling - hahaha sounds like your snipa skills need some target practice cause your shooting blanks.

Quote (thesnipa @ May 24 2016 12:29pm)

I'm not an expert on magnets

Quote (card_sultan @ May 24 2016 08:03pm)

yet you're 100% sure, nothing could ever happen with magnets - except don't they use them with high speed rails and really didn't that come about by thinking about things differently and really isn't that what your opposed to - anyone thinking different from you?

Your opposition to a simple demonstration is rather revealing as well as not really that surprising at all.

Quote (thesnipa @ May 25 2016 08:05am)

So are you going to confirm or deny you work at a gas station?

you're the one who's having a visceral reaction to someone who thinks differently than you. I'm simply looking at a video you posted and giving my commentary on the potential applications. I could have been a dick and pointed to the numerous fakes that have been created, even though this is clearly not a fake. You know appealing to "just think differently and dont rag on people who think differently than you" isn't an argument, and its hypocritical when you yourself think differently than i do. I identified some worthwhile applications for the machine you posted, identified some limitations given profit and mechanics, and did a run down of possible issues with such a machine. I'm not sure why you're so butthurt.

Quote (card_sultan @ May 25 2016 08:48am)

yup. discovered - I just pump gas and sell magnets in my spare time......

I just posted a video about magnets, your the one getting all upset about how nothing could ever be learned, yet didn't you learn something? Video worked out better than I thought, that ideas have been hidden from you, confirmed. Stop trying to shoot the messenger.

Btw, you can buy those fans for 3 dollars Canadian retail, probably much less if you buy them bulk wholesale, because they probably cost 25 c's to make and I've also seen a video on how to make them out of used plastic bottles. I've even saw a video about how you can fill a plastic bottle with water, cut a hole in your roof, and bring light to the millions and millions of people who don't have electricity, you really need to free your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOVKtNdV7_w