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Mar 19 2016 02:03am
Quote (lodd222 @ Mar 19 2016 12:01am)


Yes,
most doctors treating mental health issues (America) favor a multi-method approach
because the research supports such.
- Positive psychotherapy, CBT, behavioral therapy, drug therapy, talk therapy,
art therapy & meditation are commonly combined in outpatient programs.


:wacko: Whatever you're doing isn't working because we're talking about spect scans as a tool. And what you are saying goes against what already has been posted about the APA.

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The American Psychiatric Association has concluded that, "the available evidence does not support the use brain imaging for clinical diagnosis or treatment of psychiatric disorders in children and adolescents."[19] According to cognitive neuroscience researcher Martha Farah and psychologist S. J. Gillihan, "The lack of empirical validation has led to widespread condemnation of diagnostic SPECT as premature and unproven."


The psychologist in the video says that he has had some very surprising results, and found that a brain is much more elastic and repairable than previously thought. Really this just opens the door into rehabilitation of those that exhibit criminal behavior. But mostly, I'm thinking of the vast majority of young soldiers that seek treatment at the VA hospital for ptsd and are simply given addictive medicine, that doesn't work and they are never able to go back to work or become a useful member of society, costing everyone.

Its really about money, priorities, and the backwards thinking that is prevalent in psychiatric medicine. Take a 20 year old soldier with severe PTSD, he needs help with recovery. The doctor just gives him many prescriptions for some pills that dont fix the problem. Actually this is the approach with most conventional medicine. Don't fix the problem, (that would require understanding and most doctors don't have time for that) just alleviate the symptoms. That's how most Doctors - Medical or Psychological work. Anyway, these pills only cost a few dollars, and then you only have to pay the Doctor a nominal fee for his time, while the other way you would need to buy more mri and scanning machines and a host of technicians to operate them, so the money can add up, but if that patient is never able to go back to work - how much money in taxes are lost, 10k-50k a year x 45 years = like .5 million - 2.5 million plus the government has to put that person on disability and pay them - so that's another 1/2 million dollars at least. How many soldiers alone have permanent disability from ptsd? Im sure if you go to a Psychologist at a top tier Facility, they would take much better care than some VA Psychologists.

And really there is as much of a mental health crisis in the World as any disease, and we need to start actually fixing these people - traditional psychology is a huge failure, but they'll never admit it. No one really cares though, they should care though, because it's costing society way more than anyone cares to figure out.

Quote (Azrad @ Mar 19 2016 12:58am)
While only anecdotal: I know the psychiatric hospital where a family member works requires that all patients be screen by a 'normal hospital/doctor' before they can be admitted to try to ensure their problems aren't stemming from some physical condition that would be better treated by a 'regular doctor'. I'm sorry if I'm using inappropriate terminology; as I don't know what the proper terminology is.


Not really sure how it works here in Canada, but probably similar I would think. These type of scans are very specialized and really what they are talking about is getting the entire brain working correctly, so I'm not sure that a regular doctor could begin to diagnose or present a suitable therapy to help these issues. As a side note they are making leap and bounds into understanding the brain and how it works and how to fix it, and I would think that in itself would make work in this profession very dynamic if that Doctor is inclined to continue learning.
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There is some verity in psychology. Psychology can sometimes be logical and predictable. Thoughts, emotions, and behavior are not chaotically dynamic. There is patterns. Although it is not an exact science, psychology can be applied in ways that are effective in helping some people improve the quality of their health and their lives. Unfortunately bad practice compounds the problem of widespread misconception by the general public, resulting in many doubters, even haters.

Medications are not a replacement for psychotherapy. What many people need is a psychologist with experience - somebody they can talk to. A psychologist will help you solve your problems. Psychiatrists on the other hand are physicians with couple years of psychiatry training. They like the throw pills at the problem and pretend they are doing a good job. This is not to say medications are not sometimes helpful or necessary. But pills alone offer little more than a symptomatic treatment - it's not going to cure you and in the long run it might even make you feel worse.

I grow tired of the rhetoric from the doubters. Sure you can point out the injustices in the pharmaceutical industry, psychiatric organizations, faulty theory, bad parenting, and government lobbyist. But at the end of the day there is real people with real problems that are ruining their lives. These people need help, not stigma. I think ridiculing psychology is unhelpful. I see it as a work in progress and it has saved many lives.

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There is some verity in psychology. Psychology can sometimes be logical and predictable. Thoughts, emotions, and behavior are not chaotically dynamic. There is patterns. Although it is not an exact science, psychology can be applied in ways that are effective in helping some people improve the quality of their health and their lives. Unfortunately bad practice compounds the problem of widespread misconception by the general public, resulting in many doubters, even haters.

Medications are not a replacement for psychotherapy. What many people need is a psychologist with experience - somebody they can talk to. A psychologist will help you solve your problems. Psychiatrists on the other hand are physicians with couple years of psychiatry training. They like the throw pills at the problem and pretend they are doing a good job. This is not to say medications are not sometimes helpful or necessary. But pills alone offer little more than a symptomatic treatment - it's not going to cure you and in the long run it might even make you feel worse.

I grow tired of the rhetoric from the doubters. Sure you can point out the injustices in the pharmaceutical industry, psychiatric organizations, faulty theory, bad parenting, and government lobbyist. But at the end of the day there is real people with real problems that are ruining their lives. These people need help, not stigma. I think ridiculing psychology is unhelpful. I see it as a work in progress and it has saved many lives.


B)

Quote (card_sultan @ Mar 19 2016 12:03am)
:wacko: Whatever you're doing isn't working because we're talking about spect scans as a tool. And what you are saying goes against what already has been posted about the APA.

:wacko: It's already a tool...
What i'm saying is fundamental to psychology (America)


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Not really sure how it works here in Canada, but probably similar I would think. These type of scans are very specialized and really what they are talking about is getting the entire brain working correctly, so I'm not sure that a regular doctor could begin to diagnose or present a suitable therapy to help these issues. As a side note they are making leap and bounds into understanding the brain and how it works and how to fix it, and I would think that in itself would make work in this profession very dynamic if that Doctor is inclined to continue learning.


:rofl:

Quote (Azrad @ Mar 18 2016 09:58pm)
While only anecdotal: I know the psychiatric hospital where a family member works requires that all patients be screen by a 'normal hospital/doctor' before they can be admitted to try to ensure their problems aren't stemming from some physical condition that would be better treated by a 'regular doctor'. I'm sorry if I'm using inappropriate terminology; as I don't know what the proper terminology is.


Sometimes 'normal' doc calls for brain scan. Can be good idea to see more than one doctor too. :)


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:wacko: It's already a tool...
What i'm saying is fundamental to psychology (America)




:rofl:



Sometimes 'normal' doc calls for brain scan. Can be good idea to see more than one doctor too. :)


:wacko: Maybe your psychologist used this, but I was talking about the actual words of the APA who claimed it has no merit.
Why don't you call the APA and tell them to update their viewpoint, since it is clearly wrong and try to stop being a stupid clown.

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:wacko: Maybe your psychologist used this, but I was talking about the actual words of the APA who claimed it has no merit.
Why don't you call the APA and tell them to update their viewpoint, since it is clearly wrong and try to stop being a stupid clown.


It's not wrong.

According to the quote, they claimed it should not be used to diagnose or treat.
(America) uses the DSM5 for diagnostic criteria. :bonk:



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It's not wrong.

According to the quote, they claimed it should not be used to diagnose or treat.
(America) uses the DSM5 for diagnostic criteria. :bonk:


So what is the difference between diagnose and diagnostic in your opinion, is not a diagnostic just a "tool" that helps to make a proper diagnose? Does every single psychiatrist is the world use and have unlimited access to Brain Imaging technology. Do you know there is a difference between a psychologist and a psychiatrist? I thought some Libertarians where possibly the most annoying people there are, but I think you've overtaken them, like really your issue here is so negligible - why are you just being a dick? Are you like someone's multi, with a huge chip on your shoulder? Explain the real reasoning behind why you're so pissed off, did I say something to one of your friends?
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Is criticist a real word?
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Is criticist a real word?


I think thats what you become when you fail at everything in life.
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- The history of psychiatry is filled with inhumane treatment of patients, fueled by political influence and propaganda
- Psychiatry is a pseudoscience, but people tolerate it because most of us do not understand what science is
- Any true scientific understanding that exists in the field is transported to neurology
- Psychiatric medication often do more harm than good, and when it does have benefits, patients often become life long consumers
- Psychiatric medications are marketed as having specific benefits, while they actually have a range of effects that work differently amongst different people
- Psychiatric medications can produce life long changes and lasting side effects even after the medication is stopped
- Children are often subjected to chemical treatments, and neither the children nor the parents are fully informed about what they are receiving
- The government has a hand in medicine through psychiatry, permitting Obama for example, to exclude certain people from the second amendment
- Many myths are propagated by mental health professionals, including the chemical imbalance theory, and the existence of mental disease
- Society as a whole moved away from calling people witches or demonic. Instead, we use labels like crazy or psychotic
- The mind is not detectable or physically understood, thus attributing disease or disorder to it is a fallacy
- Mental health diagnosis are often ways to exclude and separate those we find abnormal, or unusual
- Mental health patients are usually suffering, and victims of larger social issues. They are also taken advantage of more readily
- A mental diagnosis can be a way for a criminal to receive a lighter sentence, or motivate a person with a mental diagnosis to go and commit a crime
- Mental health patients, sadly, identify themselves with their diagnosis and the medication they take
- Every other person with a college degree believes they are a therapist
- Most of us wouldn't consider our political leaders to be mentally ill, though they routinely order bombings and killings
- The war on drugs is propagated by the mental health profession
- You can be detained and hospitalized against your will
- There is no typically no cure for mental health diagnosis
- Psychiatry is deceptively portraying its limits of understanding to be further than they actually are, in an attempt to overshoot and grow
- The root cause of mental anguish and pain is often physical, such as diet, social, spiritual or behavioral
- Psychiatry and the movements against psychiatry are in part why public opinion about medical doctors has declined

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