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Sep 6 2013 04:51am
Quote (Clicquot @ Sep 6 2013 06:09am)
what defines a dream?


/''Dreams are successions of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations that occur involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep.''/

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my dog dreams ..she shakes and barks in her sleep, she must have a soul...I think all things dream.


I think that all living things that are more or less evolved dream.
And I do think we evolved it.

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Sep 6 2013 06:09am
I was always under the understanding that dreams are subconscious thoughts "brought to life" through REM. That our brain is having a sort of the days events and things that you may have seen but not consciously have recognized.
That being said, I do get dreams sometimes of people I would rather not and also bad dreams. Apparently this is related to how you are feeling. If I am paranoid from watching a scary film and on edge usually my dreams are filled with such also.
If I'm stressed and worried I usually have nightmares involving flying from dinosaurs (hilarious I know) also I found that I dream of school and old friends when I feel a particular way.
I don't think we can control what we dream when we immediately fall into them, although I do believe we can influence them should we actually recognize we are dreaming

I could be wrong with everything I have said, but that is a short version of my understanding of dreams :3

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Sep 6 2013 07:37am
Same answer as always it just randomly happened even though the possibility of it happening randomly is like 1 out of 10^10^10
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Sep 6 2013 07:08pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ 4 Sep 2013 22:10)
Not every trait an organism has necessarily offers an evolutionary benefit. For example, plants are green. Being green has absolutely no benefit to plants. However, the chlorophyl that causes them to be green gives them an astounding benefit. You can have two traits that are linked, so that one ends up getting dragged along with the other.

Perhaps dreaming and higher level brain functions (i.e. cognitive thought) are two such linked traits. It could be the brain's way of using up inactive cycles, sort of like how Windows computers have a System Idle process that acts as a placeholder when nothing else is actively consuming CPU time.


While I agree with your point, I don't think that the plant analogy is correct. The chlorophyl (and therefore the plant) is green because where and when they evolved photosynthesis the green part of the spectrum was absorbed by photosynthetic bacteria in the ocean above them, which used bacteriorhodopsin. The reason the bacteria evolved to use the green part of the spectrum is obvious, as the sun's output is at its highest point at those wavelengths. Classic example of exploiting a niche, plants aren't green arbitrarily.




On the topic of dreams, I don't think its unreasonable to suggest that 'imagination' is a favoured trait, and therefore individuals that develop an involuntary impulse to devote the time that is otherwise wasted (as far as productive mental exercise goes) to unrestrained imagination are more likely to be successful. If you've ever thought up the answer to a problem while dreaming then it's already shown a direct positive impact which you wouldn't have without dreams.
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Sep 7 2013 05:45pm
Once we developed a cerebral cortex, I believe, is when dreaming or being able to comprehend that we're dreaming evolutionized.
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Sep 7 2013 06:43pm


Quote (TIMMY213 @ Sep 6 2013 06:08pm)
While I agree with your point, I don't think that the plant analogy is correct. The chlorophyl (and therefore the plant) is green because where and when they evolved photosynthesis the green part of the spectrum was absorbed by photosynthetic bacteria in the ocean above them, which used bacteriorhodopsin. The reason the bacteria evolved to use the green part of the spectrum is obvious, as the sun's output is at its highest point at those wavelengths. Classic example of exploiting a niche, plants aren't green arbitrarily.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/biology/imgbio/plantblack.gif


On the topic of dreams, I don't think its unreasonable to suggest that 'imagination' is a favoured trait, and therefore individuals that develop an involuntary impulse to devote the time that is otherwise wasted (as far as productive mental exercise goes) to unrestrained imagination are more likely to be successful. If you've ever thought up the answer to a problem while dreaming then it's already shown a direct positive impact which you wouldn't have without dreams.


plants actually reflect the green light, which is why we see it.

I have recently been considering the usefulness of sleep. not in relation to not wantint to sleep, but is there a way to artificially induce the same effects from sleeping (e.g. feeling rested) without actually sleeping.

Here are a couple articles regarding the topic of evolution of dreams:
http://io9.com/5574117/why-did-dreams-evolve-one-scientist-has-a-new-theory
http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/ep035978.pdf
http://phys.org/news177232375.html

Apparently Frued had theories regarding the purpose of dreams but i havnt researched it at all
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Sep 7 2013 09:16pm
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plants actually reflect the green light, which is why we see it.



Yes, which means they absorb light in the wavelengths on either side of green (red and blue) as shown by the green part of the graph showing Chlorophyll. The best wavelength for photosynthesis would be green considering our sun's output, but bacteria got to that part of the spectrum first (the purple bacteria - reflecting red and blue and absorbing green) as shown by the section labelled bacterioropsin.

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Sep 7 2013 09:20pm
oh i misread your post apologies.
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Sep 10 2013 06:09am
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Sep 10 2013 10:48am
Why does there have to be a reason? You ask that question as if evolution is backed by an intelligent being. Evolution is not perfect. The brain has to remain active even when you sleep... if it completely shut down, you would be dead. Brain activity when sleeping is like the pilot light of a gas stove, there needs to remain an active ignition source for the stove to fire back up again.

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