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Jun 20 2013 09:32pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Apr 30 2013 08:37am)
not 100% , but i think they are well on there way - might be proven soon - I think i heard that they might have discovered a particle of it - but might be a mistake, that was a few weeks ago.


dark matter is 100% proven to exist, we just dont know what the fuck it is.

dark matter and "physicalism" have nothing to do with each other. this thread is pointless

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Jun 20 2013 10:35pm
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dark matter is 100% proven to exist, we just dont know what the fuck it is.

dark matter and "physicalism" have nothing to do with each other. this thread is pointless


and what proof is that? until we detect it, we havnt proven anything.
the higgs boson was predicted for decades and wasnt proven to exist until recently.
we have observed previously unexplainable gravitational effects and predict dark matter as the cause. we have collected a fair amount of supporting evidence for its existence but (to my knowledge) have failed for decades to detect it

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and what proof is that? until we detect it, we havnt proven anything.
the higgs boson was predicted for decades and wasnt proven to exist until recently.
we have observed previously unexplainable gravitational effects and predict dark matter as the cause. we have collected a fair amount of supporting evidence for its existence but (to my knowledge) have failed for decades to detect it


its detected from the gravitational lensing around galaxies.

its there, but we dont know what it is. those are two very different things

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Jun 21 2013 09:12am
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its detected from the gravitational lensing around galaxies.

its there, but we dont know what it is. those are two very different things


the only thing we can assert from the observation is that there is gravitational lensing that is possibly anomalous
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Jun 21 2013 12:14pm
Quote (Neptunus @ Jun 21 2013 08:12am)
the only thing we can assert from the observation is that there is gravitational lensing that is possibly anomalous


this^

gravitational lensing and rotational speeds of dwarf galaxy observations do not match our theories of predicted mass of galaxies. dark matter is a proposed solution to this miss-match, but it has never been detected.
just because the theorized dark matter solves these problems does not mean it actually exists.

youre thinking about it backwards: these observations do not explain dark matter (ie they are not evidence of dark matter); dark matter explains these observations
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Jun 21 2013 03:55pm
My point is that we observe gravitational lensing and can detect that galaxies have much more mass than theoretically predicted. That extra mass is termed dark matter. I didnt say it was a particle or a field or whatever, but something is obviously causing galaxies (and the entire universe) to be much more massive than predicted.

Back to the OP, I still dont see the connection between physicalism and dark matter.
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Jun 22 2013 08:04am
Your argument is (essentially) does a tables legs support the table itself?
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