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Jan 7 2013 10:29am
Quote (russian @ Jan 7 2013 09:19am)
These "doctors are scam artists" posts remind me of the time when I worked in retail IT support cleaning viruses and reinstalling OSes. I couldn't believe how many people had a firmly held belief that I, and every other person like me, purposefully install "delayed" viruses, or do some other technical voodoo that makes the machine work fine for a limited time and then break so you'd come back and give us more money. Alternatively, we would allegedly tell them they need to buy a new piece of hardware because we get some kickback from the retailer who sells it, when the customer either doesn't need the hardware at all, or we could have easily fixed whatever was broken instead of replacing it. They basically said the same thing about us that some people here say about doctors, except in relation to their computers rather than their bodies.
Needless to say, I thought they were batshit crazy tinfoil hatters, and continued doing my best to remove whatever stupid malware shit they managed to clog their computers with. I imagine doctors the world over have a pretty similar view of their conspiracy-nut patients.


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Jan 7 2013 11:39am
Quote (russian @ Jan 7 2013 08:19am)
These "doctors are scam artists" posts remind me of the time when I worked in retail IT support cleaning viruses and reinstalling OSes. I couldn't believe how many people had a firmly held belief that I, and every other person like me, purposefully install "delayed" viruses, or do some other technical voodoo that makes the machine work fine for a limited time and then break so you'd come back and give us more money. Alternatively, we would allegedly tell them they need to buy a new piece of hardware because we get some kickback from the retailer who sells it, when the customer either doesn't need the hardware at all, or we could have easily fixed whatever was broken instead of replacing it. They basically said the same thing about us that some people here say about doctors, except in relation to their computers rather than their bodies.
Needless to say, I thought they were batshit crazy tinfoil hatters, and continued doing my best to remove whatever stupid malware shit they managed to clog their computers with. I imagine doctors the world over have a pretty similar view of their conspiracy-nut patients.


A great analogy.
It always raises the question of how many people are involved in the conspiracy, and how does the conspiracy propagate itself? How many people are like you (in this respect); lets use a conservative estimate of 50,000. So the next question is how did these 50,000 people all get put on the same sheet of music? Obviously they were taught this in school. So now we have all the instructors involved as well. But how do the instructors profit from this scheme? Do they get kickbacks as well everything you rip someone off by installing "delayed malware"? How is this tracked? The instructor who taught you to do this horrible thing; how does he get his cut of your illicit income from this practice? What recourse does he have if you screw him over and don't give him his cut? Or is it like some super universal system where every time a tech screws someone the money goes into a giant pot and everyone in the entire system gets like a fraction of a penny? What about tech's who didn't go to school and are self taught? Are they initiated into this secret system later? What happens if a self taught tech refuses to participate? Is there like some IT brownshirts who come to their house and make bad Monty Python Holy Grail jokes until they agree to participate? What about independent hackers and computer programmers? Shouldn't they have found evidence for these "delayed malwares" and exposed them? I guess they must be part of the system too. How do they get paid?

Conspiracies do happen, but they are generally only successful while the number of people required to propagate it are very small.
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Jan 7 2013 12:27pm
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No shit, diabetes can be controlled through diet and exercise. That's already well-known. This Gerson guy claims that diets can cure cancer, and has provided no real, actual evidence to demonstrate these claims.

Hence, medical quackery.


I agree.

The idea of what we eat being able to stop rampant cells is a seriously sketchy notion and unless this guy is willing to publish through a rigorous peer review process, then I would be willing to call it all bullshit.
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Jan 7 2013 12:42pm
Quote (checksuki @ Jan 7 2013 07:20am)
Free Download.....S.J.Haught an investigative Journalist....."Censured for curing cancer"


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The appeal to a cover up/conspiricy is how you make a claim truly unfalsifiable:

Person A:  Mice are hyper-intelligent pan-dimension beings put on the Earth to secretly watch humanity.

Person B: Here are some peer reviewed journal articles showing there is good evidence that mice have a common descent from other small mammals.

Person A: The people who wrote those articles, the peer reviewers, and the publishers are part of the 'mice coverup'.

You see, if you label everything that contradicts your claim as being part of the conspiracy, your claim can never be demonstrated to be false, even in principle. If it is not falsifiable, it's validity can not be tested and therefore it is not scientific.



You see, if Gerson's work is suppressed then the AMA does not consider the therapy "Scientific"

S.J.Haught (Investigative Journalist) "Censured for curing cancer"
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Jan 7 2013 12:56pm
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Conspiracies do happen, but they are generally only successful while the number of people required to propagate it are very small.


The number of people responsible for this conspiracy is small. The medical sector unwittingly helps carry it out due to some of the medical laws in place and of course peer review.
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Jan 7 2013 12:58pm
Quote (Cannabist @ Jan 7 2013 11:56am)
The number of people responsible for this conspiracy is small. The medical sector unwittingly helps carry it out due to some of the medical laws in place and of course peer review.


Please explain in detail how it works, and how my local general practitioner participates in it.
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and while your at please explain how the AMA, and FDA, dozens of medical schools, dozens of publications, and the thousands of biology professors are all involved. Then repeat this process for places like Canada.

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Jan 7 2013 01:02pm
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Please explain in detail how it works, and how my local general practitioner participates in it.


I don't waste my time anymore on providing a lot of specific details. I've seen too often people who have taken the time and effort to provide specifics only to be ignored and/or ridiculed in the end. I refuse to hold anyones hand anymore. If you were really intent on finding the truth you would seek it for yourself.
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Jan 7 2013 01:05pm
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I don't waste my time anymore on providing a lot of specific details. I've seen too often people who have taken the time and effort to provide specifics only to be ignored and/or ridiculed in the end. I refuse to hold anyones hand anymore. If you were really intent on finding the truth you would seek it for yourself.


this is what it always comes down to.... you want your critics to make your case for you:

if we find something to support your case: you will believe your case is accurate.
if we don't find anything to support your case: you claim we didn't look hard enough, you continue to believe your case is accurate.

Your case is not falsifiable.
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Jan 7 2013 01:24pm
Quote (Azrad @ Jan 7 2013 01:05pm)
this is what it always comes down to.... you want your critics to make your case for you:

if we find something to support your case: you will believe your case is accurate.
if we don't find anything to support your case: you claim we didn't look hard enough, you continue to believe your case is accurate.

Your case is not falsifiable.


Stop trying to take the easy way out. Other people are not responsible for your intelligence. Too many people criticize for the sake of criticizing. I refuse to pander to them any longer. As I said previously, if you cared about truth you would seek it for yourself.
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Jan 7 2013 09:45pm
Quote (Cannabist @ Jan 7 2013 12:34am)
If you watch that documentary you'll see some of the evidence. You're a big boy, I'm not going to hold your hand.

I'm not going to sort through 80 minutes of garbage. Put up or shut up. Cite times in the video, at the very least.
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