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Jan 18 2012 11:25pm
Quote (Derkaderk @ Jan 16 2012 04:41pm)
You believe consciousness creates reality. I believe reality is independent of the observer, and what we perceive is a creation of consciousness. Do you understand that?



while consciousness doesn't necessarily create reality it does effect it in quantum mechanics


and op please stop posting dumb youtube videos. These are just random peoples random theories. Why don't you post a summary of a peer reviewed paper by one of these guys? Oh wait, they don't have any..
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Jan 19 2012 12:33am
Quote (novocane @ Jan 18 2012 07:25pm)
while consciousness doesn't necessarily create reality it does effect it ?


What's the difference between creating and affecting if reality is one single moment? ^^

1 atom is only in one place when you try to measure its energy or observe it, when you are not conscious of it the atom is spread all over the places.

This is proved in numerous particle tests in quantum physics.

Just like the super computer that randomly produces 0 and 1 when you press a button and depending on your intention it will produce more 0s or more 1s.

These are very simple and palbable tests that everyone can understand.


Edit: also there are no super videos about this matter thus being extremely hard to prove and correctly understood by the majority of people. While at the same time scientists are STILL perplexed by the results of many current tests and discoveries. What I mean by this is, ita hard to get anything major written down in paper as being definite. Besides all the nay Sayers constantly bombarding any of these ideas out of their skepticism and inability to understand, which makes it harder for its integration and acceptance by the common public.


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do you even read what you type?

scientist can't explain it
no definitive data
people who don't accept it because it has not been proven are stupid

you are the problem here not everyone else. proof is required for everything and to claim anything as a fact without having definitive proof is retarded.
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Quote (Subwoofer @ Jan 18 2012 09:04pm)
do you even read what you type?

scientist can't explain it
no definitive data
people who don't accept it because it has not been proven are stupid

you are the problem here not everyone else. proof is required for everything and to claim anything as a fact without having definitive proof is retarded.


But it IS proven.

Just they can't YET explain how it happens scientifically speaking.

That's why the consciousness/reality relation question had been shelved for now in the major quantum physics experiments.

They DO know it happens tho, what are you not understanding here? Just science needs an explanation for every problem solved, that's exactly what they still trying to figure out. They have clues and individually know how it happens, but as for the public they need the "equation".

Also now that you made me edit, not only quantum physics are working around the consciousness "theory", there other scientify branches playing around with it as they are trying to define a unified universe theory, which connects everything (consciousness, mind, matter, energy, space, time) That's the big question of all times.

Hence so many theories from so many entities (not only quantum physics)

This post was edited by omghacks2 on Jan 19 2012 02:15am
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Quote (novocane @ Jan 18 2012 09:25pm)
while consciousness doesn't necessarily create reality it does effect it in quantum mechanics


and op please stop posting dumb youtube videos. These are just random peoples random theories. Why don't you post a summary of a peer reviewed paper by one of these guys? Oh wait, they don't have any..


i completely agree
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Jan 19 2012 12:53pm
Quote (omghacks2 @ Jan 19 2012 12:33am)
What's the difference between creating and affecting if reality is one single moment? ^^

1 atom is only in one place when you try to measure its energy or observe it, when you are not conscious of it the atom is spread all over the places.

This is proved in numerous particle tests in quantum physics.

Just like the super computer that randomly produces 0 and 1 when you press a button and depending on your intention it will produce more 0s or more 1s.

These are very simple and palbable tests that everyone can understand.


Edit: also there are no super videos about this matter thus being extremely hard to prove and correctly understood by the majority of people. While at the same time scientists are STILL perplexed by the results of many current tests and discoveries. What I mean by this is, ita hard to get anything major written down in paper as being definite. Besides all the nay Sayers constantly bombarding any of these ideas out of their skepticism and inability to understand, which makes it harder for its integration and acceptance by the common public.


No statistically speaking it could be in many places. When you observe it, you've "found" it. You didn't put it there.

And that's just a bunch of B.S. The Global Consciousness Project even states that their "findings" aren't statistically significant on their website.
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Quote (omghacks2 @ Jan 19 2012 01:33am)
What's the difference between creating and affecting if reality is one single moment? ^^

1 atom is only in one place when you try to measure its energy or observe it, when you are not conscious of it the atom is spread all over the places.

This is proved in numerous particle tests in quantum physics.

Just like the super computer that randomly produces 0 and 1 when you press a button and depending on your intention it will produce more 0s or more 1s.

These are very simple and palbable tests that everyone can understand.


Edit: also there are no super videos about this matter thus being extremely hard to prove and correctly understood by the majority of people. While at the same time scientists are STILL perplexed by the results of many current tests and discoveries. What I mean by this is, ita hard to get anything major written down in paper as being definite. Besides all the nay Sayers constantly bombarding any of these ideas out of their skepticism and inability to understand, which makes it harder for its integration and acceptance by the common public.


Well to start that statement is wrong. You need to replace atom with subatomic particle. Atoms aren't in a state of superposition their electrons are.


What I said was accurate, conciousness can affect reality in quantum mechanics, but it doesn't create it. You can collapse a probably wave by oberiving it, but that wave/particle exists regardless of whether or not you're aware of it.


And this is also in quantum mechanics; large bodies are governed by relativity and don't behave the same way as subatomic particles. So applying a phenomenon of quantum mechanics to a large bodied objects isn't really possible. The same way you couldn't use the uncertainty principle to describe a car


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