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Oct 30 2011 03:30pm
Quote (TheInferno @ Oct 30 2011 03:11pm)
Well yeah i was curious to see if others came to this conclusion so let me ask another thing. Since the world is how we know it, unless directly involved, can we even tell that these types of things haven't happened or isn't possible of happening?

Let's say i'm John Smith in 2011, and i say to myself. If there is ever time travel and i can come back in time and leave myself a note before i get to work today, and that note never shows up on your desk at work, that I John smith never created time travel?

And lets make that question more broad by saying, If anyone promised themself they would come back in time and never do, that time travel is never created? Or is absent of this question entirely because the two  instances are not parallel?


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traveling backwards in time involves paradoxes. in the case where you travel backwards to a time that you weren't a part of, you can explain those paradoxes away using two separate realities. in this case, i can't even imagine how it could plausibly work. how can you exist twice simultaneously? how could you have two separate perspectives?

i mean, even in the first case where john smith changed a war...you run into all sorts of problems. once john smith changed that significant event, does the new course of history involve john smith's birth? if not, how could he have traveled backwards to change anything?

this is why these hypothetical situations are ridiculous. you can't really approach them from any rational standpoint because they don't abide by general rules of consistency within logic. they're entire paradoxical
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Oct 30 2011 03:36pm
Which is why i find it very intriguing and love to ponder these types of conversation.
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Which is why i find it very intriguing and love to ponder these types of conversation.


all right, well logically any truth follows from a paradox, so to answer all your questions about traveling backwards in time: yes and no
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Oct 30 2011 03:38pm
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all right, well logically any truth follows from a paradox, so to answer all your questions about traveling backwards in time: yes and no


haha alright. Probably going to smoke some herb and watch back to the future tonight, should be fun
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Oct 30 2011 03:48pm
Quote (TheInferno @ Oct 30 2011 05:36pm)
Which is why i find it very intriguing and love to ponder these types of conversation.

You would absolutely LOVE a book by Orson Scott Card called Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus.
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Oct 30 2011 03:50pm
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You would absolutely LOVE a book by Orson Scott Card called Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus.


Vouch Orson Scott Card
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Oct 30 2011 03:58pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Oct 30 2011 04:48pm)
You would absolutely LOVE a book by Orson Scott Card called Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus.


I'll definitely take a look
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I'll definitely take a look

It's about alternative histories and is very closely related with the ideas you've brought up in this threads, i.e. watching past events and trying to see if it's possible to change the course of history.
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Oct 30 2011 08:40pm
Traveling back in time is ez ;All you need is a machine that virtually simulate the universe you are in, Save and restart.
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Oct 30 2011 11:45pm
Quote (TheInferno @ Oct 30 2011 01:41pm)
Well i didn't know another name to call it but essentially i mean all time related conversation.

I've always had a fascination with the time-travel paradigm. I want to ask another question.

Lets say it's 2160 and we finally create a machine that allowed us to travel back through the time-continuum. We already know the history of the earth because it's already happened. And someone goes back through this machine and interferes with politics or any matter of great value and "changed" the outcome. I put "change" in quotes because my question is, since it's already happened, in that time period that person (From the future) is present in the world. So lets say its 2160 and john smith goes back to the 1600's and changed the outcome of a war. Would john smith have been present in the 1600's at that time? before being conceived in the 22nd century?

Not sure if that's worded clearly i'll re-write it if you dont understand the question. This is one of the loop-holes i've always admired about the topic.




The telescopes zoom level is not part of the question it was to assume these mechanisms have already been created but you do make a good point in saying you cannot look 20 years into the past before the mirror is constructed in the first place. And thanks for posting ~


There are multiple dimensions, branches of existence, with every choice you make, a different branch comes out.

Lungs, veins, a tree, or tree's roots are only a small sample of what this branching looks like.

Its further gained credibility through the double slit experiment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
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