you named a few of the brightest people.. and think that 'the first of our kind' are as smart as them ?
they arn't calculated to the hundred thousandth decimal, so who is the idiot?
and wait, shining? the pyramids are shining? they arn't made of gold..

ok.. so let me get this straight..

the best and brightest of an alien civilisation that has mastered space travel before we as 'humans' were even alive.. came down and found our neanderthol ancestors and enslaved them.
But also genetically enhanced them, and then these humans rebelled and defeated their far superior controllers by supposedly just sheer numbers, and apparently these first humans are as smart as some regarded as the brightest people.
These (most likely border line retarded) humans were apparently genius' ... i think not.

Wow
just wow
its scientific fact if we took a human from 10000 BC and raised him in modern society, he would adapt to the technology and science of today and understand it because we have had the capacity for genius the whole time
and prove the pyramids dont come down to 3.14159 you cant because they do...and they used to shine because they were covered in white limestone, i was just using shiny so you could comprehend
since you insist upon being retarted here you go...somthing you can identify with

but they didnt have the science of today...
you said "look at the pyramids" "all big and shining in the desert" .. take me to a pyramid that is 'all big and shiny'
ofcourse you would have a video of that... -5 points.

Why is it impossible according to you for god to exist?

Because he is an unneeded component in the universe and there is for me absolutely nothing that proves to me that he should exist.

further more, on the god subject.

Our soul/spirit would need to be composed of something that we cannot measure in any way, and yet we can measure everything else.
there is no measurable energy or mass that is emitted from our bodies when we die. so i can not see any justification of any soul/spirit within us, just our consciusness and subconsciousness wich exists in our brain. and yes it has been proven to exist in our brain as well, since if we tamper with it we change the person, aka consciousness/subconsciousness.

secondly: why are you so sure your god exist? there are atleast 10 other gods other people belive in the same way you belive in yours. why are you right and they wrong?

last: your god blesses all humans with a soul when they are created. so why does he send out souls doomed to burn in hell for all eternity, by blessing a child in a remote place that will never ever hear about christianity?

Because you cannot prove a statement, it is automatically wrong? Good luck in math class with this strategy!

I wasn't talking about god in a religious perspective now, that's another debate and I don't want to go there.

First thing is that you assume the god to be in our universe, when he obviously can be outside of it yet still affect this universe in a way we don't understand. Science doesn't rule out god nor does it provide unambiguous evidence by itself.

I'm implying that saying god doesn't exist is exactly the same as saying god exists. It's a bit like "is everything governed by coincidence or determinism (or fate or whatever)?".

There's the type of atheistic people who think they are smart cause of their belief and mock those who believe in a deity. What they don't realise, is that they themselves are also a target of their own mockery; shooting oneself's foot ;-)



And well, this^^

This post was edited by Holod on Sep 22 2011 11:32am

Ofcourse its not automaticly wrong, otherwise the whole physics concept would be wrong as well and i am a firm beliver in gravity wich we have not proven that it even exists in a 3+1 dimension world mathematicly atleast in the quantum world

Special relativity did work for electrons not falling into the atom core.

The sole reason why i am against christianity is the paradise concept, since if there is a paradise why then actually work on making the world we currently inhabit a better place? since 80years here < inifity in paradise.
I do think that priests and churches are a good thing on the whole for us humans, fanatic christians not so much.

Well I never brought Christianity in the discussion, I merely said god. I guess I should've said deity, maybe. That's why religions focus on the word "belief".

Not everyone who believes in a deity is a Christian, and fanatics/extremists almost always bring trouble regardless of religion.

This post was edited by Holod on Sep 22 2011 11:43am

You got it totally wrong, it is exactly the other way round: You don't need to believe in gravity, and gravity doesn't 'need' a physical description - gravity doesn't care. Gravity exist, we can measure gravity and that's a fact. If we cannot find a mathematical framework for gravity, this is our problem, not the problem of gravity. Also, if no physical description of some phenomenon exists, physics is not wrong - 'no statement' cannot be a wrong statement. You may say that physics is incomplete then, but thats something totally different.