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Aug 9 2011 11:44am
Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 9 2011 12:58pm)
well now thats not entirely true. We will pull minerals out of our bones and other tissues to maintain homeostatic blood ph. Which will of course cause other problems, so its a good idea to have adequate mineral intake ;)

True, but that is part of a regular diet and not a strictly alkaline one. I'm not saying we should stop eating everything that is found in an alkaline diet altogether, that's be as stupid as saying that eating strictly things found in them cures cancer.
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Aug 9 2011 11:51am
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True, but that is part of a regular diet and not a strictly alkaline one. I'm not saying we should stop eating everything that is found in an alkaline diet altogether, that's be as stupid as saying that eating strictly things found in them cures cancer.


Well like, there is a difference between an acid food in the mouth and an acid effect on the body. A lemon is actaully very alkaline on the body despite the acidity at face value.

Cancer is a lot less in those who eat well. Lots of fruits and vegetables etc; having a balanced diet. But you're right, the alkaline diet is not a pancea
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Aug 9 2011 11:54am
A balanced diet improves immune function. No surprise there. But an alkaline diet is not a balanced diet. From the first link I posted:

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A balanced diet improves immune function. No surprise there. But an alkaline diet is not a balanced diet. From the first link I posted:

http://i.imgur.com/bU6Ca.png


yeah and one of the big ones is benefits from animal products, particularly animal meats. Vit. B12 is the most obvious one, but also we are unable to recieve a full amino acid profile from any food. Animal products are the only ones that can complete it. With the excpetion of eggs.
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Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 9 2011 01:59pm)
yeah and one of the big ones is benefits from animal products, particularly animal meats. Vit. B12 is the most obvious one, but also we are unable to recieve a full amino acid profile from any food. Animal products are the only ones that can complete it. With the excpetion of eggs.

You know, I think I had forgotten you're a real honest-to-god nutritionist before this topic :P
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Aug 9 2011 12:08pm
with a bullet, yeah
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Aug 9 2011 12:32pm
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You know, I think I had forgotten you're a real honest-to-god nutritionist before this topic :P


yeah lol, i studied it for a year an a half ;D
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Robert O. Young D.Sc., Ph.D. isn't even close to being a scientist. He got his 'degrees' from a unaccredited distance learning school.

And all those websites are not even scientific. Find something that is published and peer-reviewed, and I will read and judge it.

If you really want to know how the Acid/Base relationship in the human body is, read Understanding Acid-Base by Benjamin Abelow, who is actually a MD, contrary to your quack.

He has probably caused the deaths of multiple people (in a short search, I've already found several, among one who appeared on Oprah, Kim Tinkham, who had metastatic breast cancer after Dr. Young's therapy) and should be charged with several felonies.

I strongly suggest you move away from this dietary cult, and proceed a healthier lifestyle.

Dr. Young is the most qualified scientist anyone will ever need regarding health. You want a a laugh-out-loud credible place? Here you go, one of the worlds largest criminal organizations: http://www.fda.gov

I understand the the acid/alkaline bases in the body just fine, I don't need to go elsewhere.

Lol? Link to me the people who "got cancer after his therapy" The only people who should be charged with felonies are people selling drugs and cancer-causing foods.

You strongly suggest I i proceed a healthier diet? Tell me, what did you have for breakfast, lunch, and dinner yesterday?


Quote (bentherdonethat @ Aug 9 2011 07:51am)
Like balrog said, those are unscientific links and many of those "articles" are written by a guy who got his "doctorate" from an online unaccredited school. And I realize one of those links flat-out says "cancer is a liquid" but even if acids caused cancer, that doesn't mean cancer is a liquid. After all, very loud noises can cause an avalanche, but that doesn't mean you're going to have a very loud noise chasing you down a mountain. The avalanche is still a wall of snow no matter what caused it.

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH?d=dmtHMSContent&c=465747&p=~br,IHW%7C~st,24479%7C~r,WSIHW000%7C~b,*
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

The alkaline diet only works in a fantasy world where food intake actually affects more than just the pH of your urine. The fact of the matter is the blood's pH is self-regulated and stays between 7.35 and 7.45 regardless of what we eat.


In the first link you sent me, it says
"One of the things the body does daily, is too make sure It's not too acidic" This is true, but we must eat and drink to support our body so it does not become acidic, we cannot just eat and drink acidic all day and expect our bodies to balance it out for us, we must do our part too.
Like I said before, you do not want to make the pH of your blood super alkaline, you want to support the slightly alkaline state that It's already in.
"First of all, there are no human studies for the prevention or treatment of cancer" Umm, false? Funny, Dr. Young even lectured at Harvard, surprised they have that there.
"Urine only tells you the pH of your urine" Another false statement, I was 100% alkaline for 2 month and the pH of my urine varied between 5.5-8.4 - It wasn't till the 3-4 month mark my urine started to vary between 7.2-8.4 - and then regulated it at about 7.0 on average once I was in balance.
"Urine has a naturally and more acidic pH ~6.0" This couldn't be more false, if your urine pH is really that low, you're in trouble, if not now, then 10-30 years down the road, you will be living off drugs, have fun. My urine pH varies between 6.8 and 7.2 all day, everyday.
"Foods avoided on an alkaline diet: Fats, oils, dairy, beans, legumes, and fruit." Completely false. The only thing avoided on this list are dairy products. Funny how they didn't mention that dairy produces massive amounts of lactic acid in the body which is very dangerous to our cells, and is one of the most contributing acids that cancer thrives in. Not to mention every single tumor found in the body is engulfed in lactic acid. Oh, but It's a good source of protein and vitamin D, let's not forget that. The acid dairy produces in the body leeches more calcium from your bones then it actually provides.
I can't believe how misleading this link is. The bad acidic foods are avoided, not the good ones. There must always be balance, you cannot survive on 100% alkalinity forever, but 100% alkalinity is a must if you're reversing a chronic illness, only then can you move up to 80/20 or 70/30 balance.

Now in the 2nd link it says
"The stomach is so acidic that no food can change It's acidity" Wow, really? Then why is the pH of my stomach 6.8-7.2? Does this guy even know how digestion works?
"All foods that leave your stomach are acidic. Then they enter your intestines where secretions from your pancreas neutralize the stomach acids. So no matter what you eat, the food in stomach is acidic and the food in the intestines is alkaline."
In the average person these days the stomach is very acidic because people have been leading acidic lifestyles there whole lives, and it takes time to balance it out. The pancreas produces sodium bicarbonate which is the secretion that neutralizes those acids, so the more acidic you eat, the more tax you put on your pancreas. You have to remember it takes 20 parts alkalinity to neutralize 1 part acidity, so if the food leaving the stomach is at a pH of 3-4 and the food has to be alkalized to a pH of 8.0-8.4, that would mean the food you're eating from let's say pH 4.0 - 8.0 is 10, 000 times more acidic, now you're really giving your pancreas a hard time, It's no wonder we have so many diabetics. The stomach can go alkaline with the right diet, like mine is. Digestion is in alkaline process not an acidic process. The stomach produces sodium bicarbonate too.

The wall of snow can still be removed with the proper tools, if I understood you correctly, and this tool would be alkalinity.

The pH of your urine represents the pH of your tissues. I spent 4 months going 100% alkaline, and my pH was still acidic after 1-2 months, it wasn't till the 3-4th month when my pH levels finally stabilized. The pH of the blood must remain at 7.365, if it varies even slightly then you have an imbalanced body. The only reason it varies so much and in mainstream studies is because most people lead an acidic lifestyle, so what happens is things like magnesium from your muscles and calcium from your bones are literally leeched from your body to buffer the acids so your body can maintain that pH of 7.365, but what happens is sometimes too much is dumped in or too little, so the pH tends to jump quite a bit in most people. It may be "self regulated" but we must eat and drink foods to support the alkaline design of our body and blood.


Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 9 2011 09:58am)
well now thats not entirely true. We will pull minerals out of our bones and other tissues to maintain homeostatic blood ph. Which will of course cause other problems, so its a good idea to have adequate mineral intake ;)

Whoa, did you take my advice and go do some research?!?!?! I'm shocked :o


Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 9 2011 10:51am)
Well like, there is a difference between an acid food in the mouth and an acid effect on the body. A lemon is actaully very alkaline on the body despite the acidity at face value.

Cancer is a lot less in those who eat well. Lots of fruits and vegetables etc; having a balanced diet. But you're right, the alkaline diet is not a pancea

Whoa x2 :o I can't wait to see your next posts, you're really surprising me here.


Quote (bentherdonethat @ Aug 9 2011 10:54am)
A balanced diet improves immune function. No surprise there. But an alkaline diet is not a balanced diet. From the first link I posted:

http://i.imgur.com/bU6Ca.png

Explained above already.


Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 9 2011 10:59am)
yeah and one of the big ones is benefits from animal products, particularly animal meats. Vit. B12 is the most obvious one, but also we are unable to recieve a full amino acid profile from any food. Animal products are the only ones that can complete it. With the excpetion of eggs.

Now you've got me confused, you had 2 good posts in a row, now I see you using the words benefit and animal products in the same sentence, what happened? The human body creates It's own B12. I haven't eaten meat for 2 years nor have I ever taken a B12 supplement, and I am not deficient in any way.

Animal products are the only way we receive good amino acids other then eggs? Wow, you've really gone down hill.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 9 2011 11:32am)
yeah lol, i studied it for a year an a half ;D

Go back and study again.
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Quote (DieTryin' @ Aug 9 2011 11:20pm)
Dr. Young is the most qualified scientist anyone will ever need regarding health. You want a a laugh-out-loud credible place? Here you go, one of the worlds largest criminal organizations: http://www.fda.gov/

I understand the the acid/alkaline bases in the body just fine, I don't need to go elsewhere.

Lol? Link to me the people who "got cancer after his therapy" The only people who should be charged with felonies are people selling drugs and cancer-causing foods.

You strongly suggest I i proceed a healthier diet? Tell me, what did you have for breakfast, lunch, and dinner yesterday?




In the first link you sent me, it says
"One of the things the body does daily, is too make sure It's not too acidic" This is true, but we must eat and drink to support our body so it does not become acidic, we cannot just eat and drink acidic all day and expect our bodies to balance it out for us, we must do our part too.
Like I said before, you do not want to make the pH of your blood super alkaline, you want to support the slightly alkaline state that It's already in.
"First of all, there are no human studies for the prevention or treatment of cancer" Umm, false? Funny, Dr. Young even lectured at Harvard, surprised they have that there.
"Urine only tells you the pH of your urine" Another false statement, I was 100% alkaline for 2 month and the pH of my urine varied between 5.5-8.4 - It wasn't till the 3-4 month mark my urine started to vary between 7.2-8.4 - and then regulated it at about 7.0 on average once I was in balance.
"Urine has a naturally and more acidic pH ~6.0" This couldn't be more false, if your urine pH is really that low, you're in trouble, if not now, then 10-30 years down the road, you will be living off drugs, have fun. My urine pH varies between 6.8 and 7.2 all day, everyday.
"Foods avoided on an alkaline diet: Fats, oils, dairy, beans, legumes,  and fruit." Completely false. The only thing avoided on this list are dairy products. Funny how they didn't mention that dairy produces massive amounts of lactic acid in the body which is very dangerous to our cells, and is one of the most contributing acids that cancer thrives in. Not to mention every single tumor found in the body is engulfed in lactic acid. Oh, but It's a good source of protein and vitamin D, let's not forget that. The acid dairy produces in the body leeches more calcium from your bones then it actually provides.
I can't believe how misleading this link is. The bad acidic foods are avoided, not the good ones. There must always be balance, you cannot survive on 100% alkalinity forever, but 100% alkalinity is a must if you're reversing a chronic illness, only then can you move up to 80/20 or 70/30 balance.

Now in the 2nd link it says
"The stomach is so acidic that no food can change It's acidity"Wow, really? Then why is the pH of my stomach 6.8-7.2? Does this guy even know how digestion works?
"All foods that leave your stomach are acidic. Then they enter your intestines where secretions from your pancreas neutralize the stomach acids. So no matter what you eat, the food in stomach is acidic and the food in the intestines is alkaline."
In the average person these days the stomach is very acidic because people have been leading acidic lifestyles there whole lives, and it takes time to balance it out. The pancreas produces sodium bicarbonate which is the secretion that neutralizes those acids, so the more acidic you eat, the more tax you put on your pancreas. You have to remember it takes 20 parts alkalinity to neutralize 1 part acidity, so if the food leaving the stomach is at a pH of 3-4 and the food has to be alkalized to a pH of 8.0-8.4, that would mean the food you're eating from let's say pH 4.0 - 8.0 is 10, 000 times more acidic, now you're really giving your pancreas a hard time, It's no wonder we have so many diabetics. The stomach can go alkaline with the right diet, like mine is. Digestion is in alkaline process not an acidic process. The stomach produces sodium bicarbonate too.

The wall of snow can still be removed with the proper tools, if I understood you correctly, and this tool would be alkalinity.

The pH of your urine represents the pH of your tissues. I spent 4 months going 100% alkaline, and my pH was still acidic after 1-2 months, it wasn't till the 3-4th month when my pH levels finally stabilized. The pH of the blood must remain at 7.365, if it varies even slightly then you have an imbalanced body. The only reason it varies so much and in mainstream studies is because most people lead an acidic lifestyle, so what happens is things like magnesium from your muscles and calcium from your bones are literally leeched from your body to buffer the acids so your body can maintain that pH of 7.365, but what happens is sometimes too much is dumped in or too little, so the pH tends to jump quite a bit in most people. It may be "self regulated" but we must eat and drink foods to support the alkaline design of our body and blood.



Whoa, did you take my advice and go do some research?!?!?! I'm shocked :o



Whoa x2 :o I can't wait to see your next posts, you're really surprising me here.



Explained above already.



Now you've got me confused, you had 2 good posts in a row, now I see you using the words benefit and animal products in the same sentence, what happened? The human body creates It's own B12. I haven't eaten meat for 2 years nor have I ever taken a B12 supplement, and I am not deficient in any way.

Animal products are the only way we receive good amino acids other then eggs? Wow, you've really gone down hill.


Go back and study again.


holy tldr wall of text.
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Quote (lone500 @ Aug 9 2011 04:23pm)
holy tldr wall of text.

Wasn't meant for you anyways, don't worry about it :p

Unless of course you want to learn it.

This post was edited by DieTryin' on Aug 9 2011 05:25pm
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