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Jul 18 2011 08:34am
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That doesn't say anything about "wiping out" all electronics on Earth. There's a huge difference between what you're describing and a temporary disabling of our ability to communicate in specific parts of the EM spectrum. So like I said, get your trash out of here.


meh was going off of the guy asking what were the chances anysways man all i can see is a self righteous bastard going around these forums B) go outside get some sun

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Jul 18 2011 08:46am
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meh was going off of the guy asking what were the chances anysways man all i can see is a self righteous bastard going around these forums    B)  go outside get some sun

You who browse the same forum that I do is telling me to go outside? Please, child, if you're going to cower away due to your lack of evidence for your claim just come out and say it. No need to have you run away with your tail between your legs crying to your mother.

If you had any intellectual honesty, you would be able to admit that you were wrong and that your previous claims are unsubstantiated. You still have the chance to do that, of course, but I won't hold my breath.
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Jul 18 2011 08:58am
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You who browse the same forum that I do is telling me to go outside? Please, child, if you're going to cower away due to your lack of evidence for your claim just come out and say it. No need to have you run away with your tail between your legs crying to your mother.

If you had any intellectual  honesty, you would be able to admit that  you were wrong and that your previous claims are unsubstantiated. You still have the chance to do that, of course, but I won't hold my breath.


Forgiveness preeeze i far inferior to your intellectual pursuits here ...............there............. -_-
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Jul 18 2011 09:19am
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Forgiveness preeeze i far inferior to your intellectual pursuits here ...............there............. -_-

Don't take it so immaturely. These are the standards of the scientific process. If I don't have evidence to back up something that I claim, I fully expect to be called out on it too, and I will either present evidence that backs up my claim or I will admit that I was wrong in making it.

So when you make bullshit claims, you can be damn sure someone is going to call you out on it. That's how the world works.
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Jul 18 2011 12:51pm
Let's see how we detect neutrino's:

[IMG]projectworldawareness.com/2010/10/terrifying-scientific-discovery-strange-emissions-by-sun-are-suddenly-mutating-matter
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This detector, submerged in an old mine, the size of multiple olympic sized swimming pools, is used to detect neutrino's. It needs to be this big because neutrino's are nearly massless. They have almost no impulse, and thus collisions rarely happen and when they happen, have really really really small effects.

At any moment there are probably thousands of neutrino's flying around you, without colliding with anything.
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Jul 19 2011 06:55am
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Jul 18 2011 10:19am)
Don't take it so immaturely. These are the standards of the scientific process. If I don't have evidence to back up something that I claim, I fully expect to be called out on it too, and I will either present evidence that backs up my claim or I will admit that I was wrong in making it.

So when you make bullshit claims, you can be damn sure someone is going to call you out on it. That's how the world works.

The latest cycle began in 1996 and for reasons which are unclear has taken longer than expected to end.
Now, though, there are more and more signs that the Sun is shaking off its torpor and building towards "Solar Max", or the cycle's climax, say experts.
"The latest prediction looks at around midway 2013 as being the maximum phase of the solar cycle," said Joe Kunches of the Space Weather Prediction Centre at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
But there is a prolonged period of high activity, "more like a season, lasting about two and a half years", either side of the peak, he cautioned.
At its angriest, the Sun can vomit forth tides of electromagnetic radiation and charged matter known as coronal mass ejections, or CMEs.
This shock wave may take several days to reach Earth. When it arrives, it compresses the planet's protective magnetic field, releasing energy visible in high latitudes as shimmering auroras - the famous Northern Lights and Southern Lights.
But CMEs are not just pretty events.They can unleash static discharges and geomagnetic storms that can disrupt or even knock out the electronics on which our urbanised, internet-obsessed, data-saturated society depends.
Less feared, but also a problem, are solar flares, or eruptions of super-charged protons that can reach Earth in just minutes.

In the frontline are telecommunications satellites in geostationary orbit, at an altitude of 36,000 kilometres and Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites, on which modern airliners and ships depend for navigation, which orbit at 20,000 kilometres.In January 1994, discharges of static electricity inflicted a five-month, $US50 million ($49 million) outage of a Canadian telecoms satellite, Anik-E2.

In April 2010, Intelsat lost Galaxy 15, providing communications over North America, after the link to ground control was knocked out apparently by solar activity.
"These are the two outright breakdowns that we all think about," said Philippe Calvel, an engineer with the French firm Thales. "Both were caused by CMEs."

In 2005, X-rays from a solar storm disrupted satellite-to-ground communications and GPS signals for about 10 minutes.

To cope with solar fury, satellite designers opt for robust, tried-and-tested components and shielding, even if this makes the equipment heavier and bulkier and thus costlier to launch, said Thierry Duhamel of satellite maker Astrium.Another precaution is redundancy - to have backup systems in case one malfunctions.
On Earth, power lines, data connections and even oil and gas pipelines are potentially vulnerable.

An early warning of the risk came in 1859, when the biggest CME ever observed unleashed red, purple and green auroras even in tropical latitudes.
The new-fangled technology of the telegraph went crazy. Geomagnetically-induced currents in the wires shocked telegraph operators and even set the telegraph paper on fire. In 1989, a far smaller flare knocked out power from Canada's Hydro Quebec generator, inflicting a nine-hour blackout for six million people.
A workshop in 2008 by US space weather experts, hosted by the National Academy of Sciences, heard that a major geomagnetic storm would dwarf the 2005 Hurricane Katrina for costs.

Recurrence of a 1921 event today would fry 350 major transformers, leaving more than 130 million people without power, it heard. A bigger storm could cost between a trillion and two trillion dollars in the first year, and full recovery could take between four and 10 years."I think there is some hyperbole about the draconian effects," said Kunches."On the other hand, there's a lot we don't know about the Sun. Even in the supposedly declining, or quiet phase, you can have magnetic fields on the Sun that get very concentrated and energised for a time, and you can get, out of the blue, eruptive activity that is atypical. In short, we have a variable star."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/science/looming-solar-max-could-knock-global-electronics-out-scientists-say-20101231-19bu2.html#ixzz1SYV0ix1M

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Jul 19 2011 09:28am
Earth has survived for 4.5 billion years... I think we'll be okay.
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Jul 19 2011 02:21pm
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Earth has survived for 4.5 billion years... I think we'll be okay.


Of course we will, we're as strong as our planet right?
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Jul 19 2011 02:25pm
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Let's see how we detect neutrino's:

projectworldawareness.com/2010/10/terrifying-scientific-discovery-strange-emissions-by-sun-are-suddenly-mutating-matter


This detector, submerged in an old mine, the size of multiple olympic sized swimming pools, is used to detect neutrino's. It needs to be this big because neutrino's are nearly massless. They have almost no impulse, and thus collisions rarely happen and when they happen, have really really really small effects.

At any moment there are probably thousands of neutrino's flying around you, without colliding with anything.


There are actually trillions of neutrinos flying through your body at all times.
But they are so small and chargeless that it is extremely rare for any to collide with anything because matter is mostly empty space anyway.

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Jul 19 2011 03:26pm
Quote (MarkTheShark @ Jul 19 2011 03:21pm)
Of course we will, we're as strong as our planet right?


We can be if we go underground.

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