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Jun 12 2011 10:29am
Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 11 2011 10:03am)
remember the whole obamacare delay? a huge part of that was the religious influenced people that say no to all abortion not just the ridiculous ones. while i agree abortions need hefty guidelines lots of the religious community want it gone altogether and its getting closer and closer by the day
Obamacare Delay?, more like the ObamaCare Bum rush. This process moved so fast thru congress and into our pocketbooks it is scary. But yes, one part of the argument against this was because the Law attempted to introduce a "NEW" provision that had the costs of performing abortions paid for by the taxpayers, which was never included before. So yes, people opposed thier Tax dollars being used for a new provision they were not in agreement with. And claiming that Roe V Wade is close to going away anytime soon is just ignorant babble.

human+experiment not human+regular procedure
Sigh, again WTF are you refering to? What human Experiment is being opposed only by Religion?

think of this as a branch of the evolution vs creation argument.
For Showing Religion prevents Gene Manipulation and cloning? Dude, I think of this as a branch of the "You don't know what you are talking about" argument

disregarding based on being a minority...good argument
To Refute your Claim, it was perfect. One Religion in Hundreds is not down with organ transplanting (the same one oppsoed to Blood transfusions), so yeah that makes your case that religion is hindering organ transplants IRRELEVANT.

people making doctors stop to create a new religion friendly way to perform surgery...doesn't sound like a hindrance at all. the unknown usefulness it has brought doesn't change the fact the medical field had to find out a brand new way to perform surgery just because of religion.

No People Made doctors Stop surgery PERIOD. Your Fantasy that Religion Stopped this is by itself flat WRONG. There is a Religious Group that does not Believe in blood Transfusions, they declined treatment that would go against their beliefs. The Medical Field did not HAVE to find a new way of doing surgery, they developed an Alternative way that ABSOLUTLY has incredible usefulness to everyone, not just those who oppose blood Transfusions. One of the prime factors in this new idea was trying to provide life saving alternatives that does not go against religious beliefs.


Lets just sum this up, you are prejudiced against Religion, you don't have any real understanding, you are just biased. And you are unable to make a remotely intelligent arguement, so lets just call it quits.

Quote (Torm1 @ Jun 12 2011 01:01am)
Remember what happened with the tower of Babel?

Well, we're at that point again.

http://www.burjofdubai.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/12.jpg


Dude, how can you expect to be taken seriously when you post this type of nonsense? A Tall Building is no more like the tower of Babel than a large boat is like Noah's Ark.

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Lets just sum this up, you are prejudiced against Religion, you don't have any real understanding, you are just biased. And you are unable to make a remotely intelligent arguement, so lets just call it quits.


Did you even read his post? Nothing in there shows prejudice against Religion in the slightest.

If anything he's semi-defending the absence of Religions involvement in the threads original topic.

I also noted that in his bold quotes of you, that you are the one who sounds prejudice vs Religion.
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Jun 12 2011 12:22pm
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Did you even read his post? Nothing in there shows prejudice against Religion in the slightest.

If anything he's semi-defending the absence of Religions involvement in the threads original topic.

I also noted that in his bold quotes of you, that you are the one who sounds prejudice vs Religion.


Did I read his post? Do you see me addressing his points one by one?

No Prejudice in the slightest? Here is one of the Definitions of Prejudice:

unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group

While I wouldn't call his opinions Hostile, They are not Reasoned. He has brought nothing supportive of his arguement.

Sorry but I don't see him Semi-defending anything, Can you point this out to me, I seriously Missed that completly.

Lastly, those are not Bold Quotes of me, those are his bold Comments that he added into my Quote (guess you even read my post?) But this shows that you agree that those comments are indicative of Prejudice :)
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Did I read his post? Do you see me addressing his points one by one?

No Prejudice in the slightest? Here is one of the Definitions of Prejudice:

unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group

While I wouldn't call his opinions Hostile, They are not Reasoned. He has brought nothing supportive of his arguement.

Sorry but I don't see him Semi-defending anything, Can you point this out to me, I seriously Missed that completly.

Lastly, those are not Bold Quotes of me, those are his bold Comments that he added into my Quote (guess you even read my post?) But this shows that you agree that those comments are indicative of Prejudice :)


I honestly don't see anywhere in this thread where he's being prejudice towards anyone. The key word in that definition you brought up would be "unreasonable", and since "reasonable" and "unreasonable" are both very subjective... its only a matter of personal tolerance whether you are going to pin that label on someone.

From what i see, its simply objective, unbiased truth.

And what he bolded is called paraphrasing, it is common practice.

Lastly, i do not agree that he's showing any sort of prejudice. However i do feel that you are somewhat taking it personal that he is disagreeing with you.

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Dude, how can you expect to be taken seriously when you post this type of nonsense? A Tall Building is no more like the tower of Babel than a large boat is like Noah's Ark.


Also,

This is a perfect example of prejudice by your definition. It is quite ironic that you would throw down such a brash statement and then turn around and show complete hypocrisy.


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Jun 12 2011 01:04pm
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I honestly don't see anywhere in this thread where he's being prejudice towards anyone. The key word in that definition you brought up would be "unreasonable", and since "reasonable" and "unreasonable" are both very subjective... its only a matter of personal tolerance whether you are going to pin that label on someone.

From what i see, its simply objective, unbiased truth.

And what he bolded is called paraphrasing, it is common practice.

Lastly, i do not agree that he's showing any sort of prejudice. However i do feel that you are somewhat taking it personal that he is disagreeing with you.

So when you think it was me, the bold comments are indicative of Prejudice. Now that you see they are his comments, this reflects "paraphrasing". So is it Prejudice or not?

"objective unbiased Truth"? He hasn't presented anything but his unsupported opinion.

And I am not taking it personaly, I am specificly addressing each of his points to refute them, thats all :) After all this topic is How does Religion Not hinder Technology

Quote (Poonisher @ Jun 12 2011 01:29pm)
This is a perfect example of prejudice by your definition. It is quite ironic that you would throw down such a brash statement and then turn around and show complete hypocrisy.


In no Way is my comment to Torm1 based on feelings, opinion or attidude toward Religion, Race or Ethnicity, so don't even try to dismiss that as Prejudice. My curt response to that post is without any Pre-judgement. I don't want to go into the Tower of Babel and why his comparisson to the Berj Dubai is rediculous in this post, but if you would like to debate that topic shoot me a PM. But I do agree with you that I am losing Patience with Torm1's posts :P
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So when you think it was me, the bold comments are indicative of Prejudice. Now that you see they are his comments, this reflects "paraphrasing". So is it Prejudice or not?

"objective unbiased Truth"? He hasn't presented anything but his unsupported opinion.

And I am not taking it personaly, I am specificly addressing each of his points to refute them, thats all :) After all this topic is How does Religion Not hinder Technology



In no Way is my comment to Torm1 based on feelings, opinion or attidude toward Religion, Race or Ethnicity, so don't even try to dismiss that as Prejudice. My curt response to that post is without any Pre-judgement. I don't want to go into the Tower of Babel and why his comparisson to the Berj Dubai is rediculous in this post, but if you would like to debate that topic shoot me a PM. But I do agree with you that I am losing Patience with Torm1's posts :P


To be prejudice has nothing to do with religion, race or ethnicity. You were even so kind as to hand us the very definition that sealed your fate.

His paraphrasing is what he got from what you wrote. So if any prejudice was made, again it came from your end.


"objective unbiased Truth"? He hasn't presented anything but his unsupported opinion.
-Same goes to you. All i see are two people debating and "facts" being thrown around like a football.


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this is the #1 definition of prejudice btw.

–noun
1.
an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

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You guys are like two peas in a pod. Both dodging direct and specific questions and trying to bury it with more babbling.

I used the Religous definition of Prejudice because that is what was being discussed. As far as the #1 Definition goes, it does not apply to my comment because as I stated, my opinion was not formed beforehand and was absolutly based on knowledge of the subject matter and how it does not apply to the reference used by any stretch of the imagination.

But we are so far off topic here, just shoot me a PM rather than have us continuing to bore everyone here.
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You guys are like two peas in a pod. Both dodging direct and specific questions and trying to bury it with more babbling.

I used the Religous definition of Prejudice because that is what was being discussed. As far as the #1 Definition goes, it does not apply to my comment because as I stated, my opinion was not formed beforehand and was absolutly based on knowledge of the subject matter and how it does not apply to the reference used by any stretch of the imagination.

But we are so far off topic here, just shoot me a PM rather than have us continuing to bore everyone here.


What questions were dodged exactly?

The one you kept repeating about what he said being prejudice which was answered on numerous occasions?


Calling someone's post nonsense is prejudice man, no matter how hard u try and dodge that fact.

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Jun 12 2011 07:22pm
all i have to say is ppl got religion totally wrong...

this is it, view it in what w/e words make sense to you but these are mine

With technology TODAY we can see the left over radiation from the universe as it was (not sure on exact year but something like) 13 million years after the big "bang". Big bang is just a term to use for the fact that we have no idea how or why it happened but SOMETHING (the universe) went bang and filled space (the size of the early universe) in less then a mili second (this is proven because the size of the radiation at that early time doesnt match its age, it is obvious that the universe expanded to its early size VERY quickly)


basically what im trying to say is WE ARE the universe, we are the children of billions of years of universal evolution, GOD is the universe and God is life and we are God because we live in this universe we come from it. this is similar to bu-dist beliefs but i dont like to put a name to anything spiritual... it defeats the purpose of it. Just take in information and dont let societies filter your opinions.. use your intuition and judge for yourself what you believe is right and wrong, is something negative and selfish? or is it positive and selfless? THAT is good and evil, your good and bad intuitions.

God is in yourself imo... so is the devil.. there is always a balance of good and evil (ying and yang) but if through out the day you stop and ask yourself "am i doing this with negative intent and selfish gain?" and decide from there your next action you can live a good and positive life.

i am not saying there isnt anything bigger then the universe that may ACTUALLY be god but from my observations everything comes from something and if the universe isnt "God" it might have came from "God" (the multiverse) and beyond that there may be something bigger, that the multiverse came from.

overall im trying to say dont label your beliefs... beliefs and fact change with time and the growth of technology. absorb information as it is, not how you think other ppl think you should view it.
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