No you didn't. Declaring yourself a winner doesn't make it so. This isn't your imagination, where saying something can manifest it.

In the same way, declaring your opinion to be logical doesn't make it so. You think you can logically state that pleomorphic theory is right, when modern medicine treats and cures diseases without addressing consulting pleomorphic theory? So again I ask you, what makes you think Pasteur is wrong, when all of the proven treatments, cures, and vaccines are based on Pasteur's work? Subscribing to pleomorphism makes me think you must believe in homeopathic medicine.

@Toothfariy: I agree that a healthy diet obviously improves people's immune systems. However, a person's nutrition bolstering the immune system (which is actually why the flu vaccine DOES prevent (those strains of) the flu cannot unilaterally prevent all diseases. Even if it could, that would say nothing at all about pleomorphism being right and Pasteur being wrong. Studies have proved that a person doesn't get sick just because they have a weakened immune system. They must first have a pathogen introduced into their body before any sickness happens.

You couldn't even get the original premise right and you're still going on about BS. I give up trying to show reason and logic to those incapable of recieving it. Keep your dogma then, the sooner your kind will die off. Can't wait until the day that I no longer have to share oxygen with baiters like you and bex.

Explain why you're right then, using actual scientific data.

thats what i said. a strong immune system will prevent those things from doing anything. we wont even notice them most likely.

i'm not stupid, i realize that we dont get flu on the sole factor that our immune system is weak; but we get it and are affected by it because of our suppressed immune system.
I have not been sick since i starting eatting better. I know its not scentific, but its very clear to me that it is not a coincedence.

i dont think pasteur was wrong, but i think a lot of our practices based on his theory are misguided to say the least. Its kinda sparked that whole germphobia. You dont have to wash your hands EVERY time you do something. you do have to shower EVERY day. infact a lot of studies show that eatting without washing your hands actually boosts naturally occuring bacteria in your GI tract and thus strengthening your immune system.

Like i said before, im in the middle of both these theories. While i dont think we should be paranoid about germs and bugs, i think its very important to focus on bringing up the health of the host so that stuff doesnt effect them, or if it does, its taken care of swiftly and effectively. But on the other hand, we should obviously avoid things like anthrax. Im not saying pasteur was wrong, but i think theres a lot more to it than just germs = disease.

Take your own advice.

Haha wow this really strengthens your argument.

And anything you've said has merit? Give me a fucking break. Everything you said I proved wrong. Why are you still here? Other than to incite your presence here is purposeless.

What have you proved wrong? You complained about the method for staining SEM, and you claim Pasteur was a liar, despite his wild success in preventitive medicine. You haven't proven a single thing, nor have you provided evidence for your claims, nor have you provided sources for your information. You've trolled and blabbered, but I think that hardly scratches the surface of any form of argument. If ignorance is bliss, you must be quite happy.

See, this is why I think you're trolling. You're making quite an outlandish claim that disagrees with the very foundation of how people provably know things work. That places the burden of proof on you. It's not up to us to do your homework.

With that, I'm done with this thread until you decide to post something intelligent. I won't hold my breath.