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Mar 13 2011 12:14am
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Scientific minds are doubting minds by necessity. Present evidence and it'll give me a reason to consider it.


I wouldn't say by necessity, but majority do seem to be skeptics. In my opinion though, in certain fields of science, such as astrophysics, you need to keep an open mind. After all, how can you progress if you say that everything is impossible until proven true. You would only open your mind to a narrow spectrum of possibilities for any given puzzle.

Kind of like how Newton uses God as an excuse when he couldn't figure out a way to calculate the stability of the solar system, then Huygens figures it out like a decade later.

What I'm trying to say is, just because there is no solid evidence now, doesn't mean it should just be tossed under the rug and be forgotten.
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Mar 13 2011 09:07am
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I wouldn't say by necessity, but majority do seem to be skeptics. In my opinion though, in certain fields of science, such as astrophysics, you need to keep an open mind. After all, how can you progress if you say that everything is impossible until proven true. You would only open your mind to a narrow spectrum of possibilities for any given puzzle.

An open and a skeptical mind are not mutually exclusive. You can keep your mind open to the possibility of changing it in the presence of evidence while simultaneously being skeptical of any tall claims that aren't backed by evidence. One example? This.

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Kind of like how Newton uses God as an excuse when he couldn't figure out a way to calculate the stability of the solar system, then Huygens figures it out like a decade later.

What I'm trying to say is, just because there is no solid evidence now, doesn't mean it should just be tossed under the rug and be forgotten.

No, but since there are going to be scientists trying to find evidence, it does mean there's no reason to get worked up on it until some evidence is found.
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Mar 13 2011 09:51am
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Nope. It's absolutely a coincidence. As LD_50 said, the moon's distance regularly varies by almost 30,000 miles. If it's slightly closer now than it usually is at perigee, there's no reason to think that's causing anything major on earth apart from slightly higher tides.


This past week there has been an earthquake in Japan(6.0 Magnitude) Alaska, California, Hawaii, Mexico, and China, A Tsunami in Japan, and a major flood in NJ; where two of the rivers are overflowing.

What are your thoughts about this?
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Mar 13 2011 09:55am
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This past week there has been an earthquake in Japan(6.0 Magnitude) Alaska, California, Hawaii, Mexico, and China, A Tsunami in Japan, and a major flood in NJ; where two of the rivers are overflowing.

What are your thoughts about this?


What's there to think about? This is not the first time any of that has happened, there's always disasters happening, what makes this any different?
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Mar 13 2011 09:57am
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What's there to think about? This is not the first time any of that has happened, there's always disasters happening, what makes this any different?


Oh, cause there has been this many disasters in the matter of 4 days in totally different parts of the world, killing over 10 thousand people.

Edit: I dont post here much, but i really dont care what you have to say.
You have accreditited scientists and astronomers with licenses saying that its dangerous and it could fuck shit up..

And theres you, a person on a DIABLO trading fourm thinking hes fucking einstien.

This post was edited by Massous24 on Mar 13 2011 10:00am
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Oh, cause there has been this many disasters in the matter of 4 days in totally different parts of the world, killing over 10 thousand people.


Yes, there has, and worse than what we are currently experiencing.

And I also want to directly address the phrase "this many disasters": outside of the 8.9M quake and resultant aftershocks the earthquake scene as a whole has been normal, there's nothing out of the ordinary going on there. The 8.9M caused the tsunami so it in itself is not a separate disaster, which just leaves the NJ flood. So there was a big earthquake and a flood on the other side of the world...OMG FREAK OUT WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
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Mar 13 2011 10:08am
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Yes, there has, and worse than what we are currently experiencing.

And I also want to directly address the phrase "this many disasters": outside of the 8.9M quake and resultant aftershocks the earthquake scene as a whole has been normal, there's nothing out of the ordinary going on there. The 8.9M caused the tsunami so it in itself is not a separate disaster, which just leaves the NJ flood. So there was a big earthquake and a flood on the other side of the world...OMG FREAK OUT WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.


Your completely rejecting the idea of the moon having anything to do with this.


However, Victor Gostin, planetary and environmental geoscientist at Adelaide University, offered the thought that there might be some kind of link between moons and earthquakes.

"This is because the Earth-tides (analogous to ocean tides) may be the final trigger that sets off the earthquake," he told news.com.au.

Moreover, 11 days ago, Mark Paquette--on the Accuweather blog--also suggested there might be some connection. He wrote that there were super moons in 1955, 1974, 1992, and 2005 and, in each of these years, there were extreme events of nature--of one kind or another.Within days of the 2005 super moon, for example, a 9.0 earthquake struck Indonesia. Then there was Hurricane Katrina later that year.

Last week, just nine days before another super moon, came the Japanese earthquake, killing perhaps thousands of people and triggering a horrific tsunami. It is said to be the fifth largest earthquake ever recorded.





Argue with facts, not with opinons.

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Your completely rejecting the idea of the moon having anything to do with this.


I was actually already typing up a response to your edit to the contrary saying that there is evidence to support the theory that the moon being closer leads to an increase in its gravitational influence which can cause extra stress on the earth's crust. Theoretically this extra stress can cause earthquakes (and to an extent volcanic eruptions) but only on faults the moon directly passes over and faults that are already ready to slip. There is not evidence that this straight up CAUSES earthquakes but that it simply can help them happen faster and this is even supported by the quote you posted.

As for the "facts" you posted, suggesting that the moon has anything to do with hurricanes, floods, or any other strictly weather based phenomena is just ludicrous and has no basis other than coincidence so I will not even address those until sufficient evidence is presented to the contrary. But to address specifically the most recent quake, I cannot possibly see how the impending "super moon" could've had anything to do with it since at the time of the quake the moon was near apogee, it's farthest point from the earth so it had even less affect than normal on the crust, there is no argument there.

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Edit: I dont post here much, but i really dont care what you have to say.
You have accreditited scientists and astronomers with licenses saying that its dangerous and it could fuck shit up..


So you only care about what people that agree with you have to say, good to know.

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And theres you, a person on a DIABLO trading fourm thinking hes fucking einstien.


I find it a little childish to attack me when I gave you no reason to.

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Argue with facts, not with opinons.


You have posted more opinions than me, in fact, going back and reading my posts I can't find a single "opinion" that I have posted.

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Mar 13 2011 10:41am
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I was actually already typing up a response to your edit to the contrary saying that there is evidence to support the theory that the moon being closer leads to an increase in its gravitational influence which can cause extra stress on the earth's crust. Theoretically this extra stress can cause earthquakes (and to an extent volcanic eruptions) but only on faults the moon directly passes over and faults that are already ready to slip. There is not evidence that this straight up CAUSES earthquakes but that it simply can help them happen faster and this is even supported by the quote you posted.

As for the "facts" you posted, suggesting that the moon has anything to do with hurricanes, floods, or any other strictly weather based phenomena is just ludicrous and has no basis other than coincidence so I will not even address those until sufficient evidence is presented to the contrary. But to address specifically the most recent quake, I cannot possibly see how the impending "super moon" could've had anything to do with it since at the time of the quake the moon was near apogee, it's farthest point from the earth so it had even less affect than normal on the crust, there is no argument there.



So you only care about what people that agree with you have to say, good to know.



I find it a little childish to attack me when I gave you no reason to.



You have posted more opinions than me, in fact, going back and reading my posts I can't find a single "opinion" that I have posted.


Everyone that post's here is very ignorant, and only believes what they think.
sorry for attacking you, but you have THREE creditied scientists saying there could be a relationship between the moon and the occurances, and your rejecting it, calling it ludacris.

However, Victor Gostin, planetary and environmental geoscientist at Adelaide University, offered the thought that there might be some kind of link between moons and earthquakes.

"This is because the Earth-tides (analogous to ocean tides) may be the final trigger that sets off the earthquake," he told news.com.au.

Moreover, 11 days ago, Mark Paquette--on the Accuweather blog--also suggested there might be some connection. He wrote that there were super moons in 1955, 1974, 1992, and 2005 and, in each of these years, there were extreme events of nature--of one kind or another.Within days of the 2005 super moon, for example, a 9.0 earthquake struck Indonesia. Then there was Hurricane Katrina later that year.

Last week, just nine days before another super moon, came the Japanese earthquake, killing perhaps thousands of people and triggering a horrific tsunami. It is said to be the fifth largest earthquake ever recorded.
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