If we can't get a group of 10 people at random to agree with each other, then you certainly can't say that the human race as a whole has a collective conscious. And here you're trying to say that nature (a very vague term encompassing nearly everything that's visible on Earth) has a collective conscious that is somehow smarter than scientists? How does a tree have a conscious? How does a rock have a conscious? This is starting to sound a bit like Shintoism to me (though I'll admit that I don't know much about the world's religions so I wouldn't be surprised if there's a far more accurate set of beliefs that align with what you're saying).


Nature doesn't contain an infinite amount of energy. The universe has a finite size (though it is infinitely expanding) and a finite amount of mass and energy in it (the Earth, for example, has 5.37E41 Joules of mass-energy). "Where there is energy there is the mind" doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying there's a mind inside of a battery, which has stored chemical energy? Or there's a mind inside of a windmill, which has stored mechanical energy? Or there's a mind inside a charged capacitor, which has stored electrical energy? Or there's a mind inside of a star, which has stored nuclear energy?


Everything that is alive consumes energy in some form, but that doesn't mean energy and intelligence are the same thing.



Plants are alive and don't have intelligence. Bacteria are alive and don't have intelligence. Asking why atoms have energy is sort of a meaningless question. Why does something move when you push on it? Why do magnets attract/repel each other? Why do protons and electrons have opposite charges? Science allows us to describe all of these interactions in great detail. Atoms don't 'know" anything, because they don't have thoughts.

You're making several fallacies. For one, all species only work for their own propagation. Species might benefit eachother, but only to the extent that they are not negatively affected by the relationship. Plus you're making the same fallacy over and over. You try to find facts to support your own theory, rather than watch the full spectrum of facts and then create the theory.

Also nature did not create the imagine of god. mankind did.

I agree with balrogg66. the only thing i have to add to his post is that you should question ALL the facts.

no sorry i meant the mind is the energy, so like, but i mean only things that exist in nature so like we created those things, idk how much life i would say those thigns have, but
idk i cant remember what i was trying to get at
but i mean like sec i'll show some comparisons as soon as i remember them



yeah, i understand, i just need to choose my words more carefully because you guys pick at all of it lol, it's easier to think than to come up with words for what they mean. it's like translating a language will lose a lot of the meaning

This post was edited by MOMOtheflyingLEMUR on Nov 10 2010 02:32pm

i totally understand what you mean. its hard for me a lot of times to express my thoughts very well. be so much easier if we could just mind meld

COMPARE:

an atom to the molecule.
and compare the molecule to a group of molecules and its overall structure
now compare the overall structure to a single cell
and compare the single cell to a group of cells
and compare a group of cells to the life that it forms
and compare the life that is formed to the group of lives that exist
..i can keep going but yeah , like if you compare them, everything has a structure, form and function.
so we are looking to understand function right? and for us to understand the purpose of each structure, we need to understand why it exists...

you said the universe has a set amount of energy...then what created the big bang?
i think that it just goes on and on and we are just one tinyyyy little part of nature/life


basically the smallest things that we have discovered are electrons..and the biggest things we have discovered would be the universe right?..idk..maybe i'm wrong.
but..what if we are wrong, and inside electrons there is other life, similar to ours? but just extremely extremely small, and this is why i said everything that has energy had a mind.
what if, there are several different universes? and we are basically like an electron to them? because we are so small?

what if we can travel between different universes because , similar to a cell, DNA are able to travel between cells right?
similar to the mind, similar to energy?



i actually think..that...mind reading is possible...like actually...
and i think that weed helps you read minds..
and i think that is the benefits of weed for humans..

"Plants are alive and don't have intelligence. Bacteria are alive and don't have intelligence. Asking why atoms have energy is sort of a meaningless question. Why does something move when you push on it? Why do magnets attract/repel each other? Why do protons and electrons have opposite charges? Science allows us to describe all of these interactions in great detail. Atoms don't 'know" anything, because they don't have thoughts."

what do you mean they dont have intelligence? they do..who is to say they dont? their cells know their reason for living. maybe they dont know how they work, and they dont know why they work, but they do know that they work, and that is why they work..and that is why nature works. bacteria know dont know how they work, but they know what they need to do and they know their reason for living...

we dont have that intelligence. we dont know what we need to do as people..this is what i'm getting at.
intelligence isnt just what we think it is. , i mean i can understand why you would say that plants, bacteria and nature dont have intelligence...but i'm showing you a new light! i mean.....
i legit used to not believe in God, and i used to hate learning about plants. but learning about plants is what got me to realize all of thiss

This post was edited by MOMOtheflyingLEMUR on Nov 10 2010 02:57pm

maybe humans have to much intelligence?



This post was edited by lone500 on Nov 10 2010 03:08pm

@bold:
1: Electrons are not the smallest known particle.
2: Someone watched Men in Black

You are being very vague, and I suggest you delve into the subjects you describe before making hasty conclusions. A couple of courses of physics, mathematics and biology would do you good.

lol i had admitted that i may be wrong about that, but then what are smaller than electrons? and maybe those smaller things also have some sort of energy?
i havent seen men in black fully
i am being vague because i'm using whatever knowledge i have in order to try and understand life better.
i'm a science student lol so dont just assume i dont know much, i just like being vague so that people can also use their critical thinking and explain things further.
all you are doing is telling me i am wrong, but you arent telling me the right answer.

OH also, i think that, because the universe is expanding, we are gradually becoming smaller right?
what if one day we become exactly like archaea or something, the more complex organisms that will exist in the future will look back at us and find us really simple, although we think of ourselves as complex

This post was edited by MOMOtheflyingLEMUR on Nov 10 2010 03:39pm

You don't need to know Why in order to understand everything else. We ventured into space by understanding how physics works, and we're venturing closer and closer to the quantum level without understanding exactly why the way it works the way that it does.


this is also a pretty meaningless question, since it's hard to say that anything happened at all before time started flowing at the instant the big bang occurred. We know it happened, though, that's a proven fact. And we are just a tiny little part of the universe. We're a single planet in a single solar system in a single galaxy. There exist an uncountable number of other planets and stars.



Electrons are understood to be point particles, having no actual size (this comes about because of the idea of electron spin, and the fact that if electrons had a volume, then the edges of the electron would be rotating faster than the speed of light). Neutrinos have a far, far lower mass than electrons, though, so if anything I would say that's probably the smallest known particle (though not necessarily the most basic, since protons and neutrons are made up of quarks, and Preons are the hypothesized point particles that make up quarks -- Isn't the Standard Model fun?).



That's kind of gibberish. It's like saying we can travel to different universes because I can drive from NY to NJ. They're completely unrelated.



I think you might have been a bit high when you wrote that one


How are you defining intelligence? Intelligence is the ability to think and understand things. A plant does not think; it grows. A bacteria does not understand. It simply acts as the chemical reactions inside of it direct it to. It cannot choose to somehow do something other than what it does, because it cannot think. It doesn't have intelligence.


We, as people, don't really need to do anything. We're here, and we're spending the time we have accordingly. You're not showing me anything other than vague, half-completed thoughts about random topics. You're feeling spirituality for the first time which is a great thing, but I think you're looking too hard for places to apply it.



Nope. We're staying the same size while everything is getting farther apart.

By the way, since you said you're a science student, what science are you studying?

This post was edited by bentherdonethat on Nov 10 2010 03:48pm