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Apr 17 2010 03:34am
Quote (cletus7seven @ Apr 16 2010 10:16pm)
to help me grasp time travel, im going to ask this. haha
so, is the theory that if you travel faster than the speed of light you can move into the future, and if it is a speed that allows you to travel into the future, how do you travel backwards in time? the same speed? or what?


When you travel at close to c you experience time more slowly. So this whole notion of traveling forward in time is just picking a speed close to c to travel at that will seem like a very short time for you, and a very long time for everyone else. With some simple calculations you could pick a speed that would allow you to age 100 seconds, while the rest of us thought 100 years went by. This is totally possible (except the engines required to travel at this speed don't exist, but in theory they could!).

If you could exceed c, in some equations it looks like you could travel backwards in time. Exceeding c (in the hopes of going backwards in time) does not seem possible however because the closer and closer you get to c, the more and more energy you need to go faster (you need bigger and bigger engines). To reach c you would need an infinite amount of energy (an engine of infinite size!).

So in summary; Any speed less than c is in theory attainable, you just need a big enough engine/advanced technology. C and above seem to be off limits though even with advanced technology.
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Apr 17 2010 03:52pm
Quote (Legionair @ Apr 17 2010 03:11am)
Thats a time paradox if your future self came into past and you changed something that furture self isnt gona happen in that univurse cause you altered how things will come too be so you by changing what was supposed too happen changed the known life of the univurse and all life has you know it will be forever doomed cause you belive that you can time travel


exactly why there is no such thing as time traveling. time is made up in our heads to help us cope with everyday life and keep track of things. in actuality there is only present, but that present is not really a present because it keeps passing by so there is no way to get a hold of time in a point. scientists are just playing games with numbers in their heads :D

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Apr 17 2010 04:44pm
Quote (Azrad @ Apr 17 2010 04:34am)
When you travel at close to c you experience time more slowly. So this whole notion of traveling forward in time is just picking a speed close to c to travel at that will seem like a very short time for you, and a very long time for everyone else. With some simple calculations you could pick a speed that would allow you to age 100 seconds, while the rest of us thought 100 years went by. This is totally possible (except the engines required to travel at this speed don't exist, but in theory they could!).

If you could exceed c, in some equations it looks like you could travel backwards in time. Exceeding c (in the hopes of going backwards in time) does not seem possible however because the closer and closer you get to c, the more and more energy you need to go faster (you need bigger and bigger engines). To reach c you would need an infinite amount of energy (an engine of infinite size!).

So in summary; Any speed less than c is in theory attainable, you just need a big enough engine/advanced technology. C and above seem to be off limits though even with advanced technology.


in this case, you would just age faster correct? so therefore, if i did set it at 100 seconds and it actually equaled 100 years, i would die within that 100 seconds, because i would age. and i would be well over a hundred years old. but if i set it for 30 seconds would i just be 30 years older? could a body handle this? haha
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Apr 17 2010 05:03pm
I believe in Hitchhiker's Guide rules.

Your future self could come back and give it to you, but since all of history already happened and is immutable, the fact that he told you is part of the events that unfold, and you would either fail or accidentally cause the event you tried to stop.
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Apr 17 2010 06:21pm
Quote (cletus7seven @ Apr 17 2010 03:44pm)
in this case, you would just age faster correct? so therefore, if i did set it at 100 seconds and it actually equaled 100 years, i would die within that 100 seconds, because i would age. and i would be well over a hundred years old. but if i set it for 30 seconds would i just be 30 years older? could a body handle this? haha


Reading what you wrote it seems you are inferring some kind of absolute reference time. This is a mistake. All we can really do is state how much time passed for you, and how much time passed for everyone else. Trying to figure out how much time "actually passed" will get you into trouble quickly. In the example I gave you would think 100 seconds passed. the people on earth would think 100 years passed. You would return to earth and most of your friends would likely be dead from old age but you wouldn't have aged (ok you aged 100 seconds, but nothing noticeable). This happens all the time actually. If you had a pair of super accurate clocks, and left one with your friend while you took the other one to the store in your car, when you returned there would be a slight difference. You would have experienced every so slightly less time than your friend. This effect has been measured with atomic clocks on jet planes.
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Apr 17 2010 06:22pm
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I believe in Hitchhiker's Guide rules. 

Your future self could come back and give it to you, but since all of history already happened and is immutable, the fact that he told you is part of the events that unfold, and you would either fail or accidentally cause the event you tried to stop.


Oh with their bad news drive (nothing travels faster than bad news!).

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Apr 17 2010 08:53pm
does anything time travel? i mean doesnt light time travel itself since it goes th speed of light. so y is it still here and not in the future?
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Apr 18 2010 01:27am
Yes, or not.
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Apr 18 2010 02:22am
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does anything time travel? i mean doesnt light time travel itself since it goes th speed of light. so y is it still here and not in the future?


Well yeah of course. We are all traveling forward in time! Can you travel at a different rate forward in time? Sure I explained how. Can you travel backwards in time? Apparently no, since you can't reach the velocity required.
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Apr 18 2010 08:53am
Quote (Azrad @ Apr 18 2010 04:22am)
Well yeah of course. We are all traveling forward in time! Can you travel at a different rate forward in time? Sure I explained how. Can you travel backwards in time? Apparently no, since you can't reach the velocity required.


going the speed of light will get u forward in time right? (the future) so y isnt light constantly traveling to the future and leaving us behind is what i meant.
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