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Apr 4 2010 06:36pm
I dont see why it sholdn't remain operational. Even if they blow up everything, it's in the name of SCIENCE :D :D
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Apr 4 2010 10:40pm
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The double slit experiment is explained. You (being a human being) just do not like the explanation (understandably so).


no no no, I'm not sure where you got that quote it seems familiar but either I didn't convey my message through clearly apparently. What I want is for an explanation to the double slit experiment to be validated and proven. Whether it be pilot theory or some other idea on why it happens. (In specific the whole 1 at a time still produces a pattern aspect of it)
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why it happens


This question will get you into trouble. It is a throw back to pre-Newtonian ideas. That is that effects should have a reasonable reason for happening. This idea has slowly been dying since Newton's work with gravity and light. Newton cleaved the philosophical questions of why, from the evolution laws of a system. He gave no explanation of why (well he did give a few but he separated them very clearly from the evolution laws). He discovered some laws that will predict the future if you feed it parameters from the present.

So if you are searching for the philosophical answer of why the two slit experiment behaves the way it does, you are barking up the wrong tree. If you are looking for the evolution laws to predict the outcome of a 2 slit experiment these are available, but they are devoid of physical models.

But the complaints I can almost hearing you voicing are justifiable. It does violate common sense. But this certainly is not the first violation of "common sense" by physics. The idea that velocities should not be simply added is a very serious violation. Should we really be surprised that other common sense ideas like position, trajectory and even cause and effect need to be modified with a new set of logic?

To quote Feynman:
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And then there's the ... kind of thing which you don't understand. Meaning "I don't believe it, it's crazy, it's the kind of thing I won't accept." .... this kind, I hope you'll come along with me and you'll have to accept it because it's the way nature works. If you want to know the way nature works, we looked at it, carefully, ... that's the way it works. You don't like it..., go somewhere else! To another universe! Where the rules are simpler, philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy. I can't help it! OK! If I'm going to tell you honestly what the world looks like to the... human beings who have struggled as hard as they can to understand it, I can only tell you what it looks like. And I cannot make it any simpler, I'm not going to do this, I'm not going to simplify it, and I'm not going to fake it. I'm not going to tell you it's something like a ball bearing inside a spring, it isn't.


There is a much better example than the two slit experiment, a situation we are all familiar with that demonstrates the problem in a much better way IMO. Consider the following situation:

You are standing outside your home at dust. You look into a window and you can see your friend sitting on the couch, but you can also see a partially reflected image of your face on the window. If you were to replace the window with a mirror the reflected image of your face would be brighter so obviously some of the light from your face is passing through the window and some of it is bouncing back to produce this ghostly image. What determines which photons get bounced back (or what determines which photons pass through)? There is an answer to the question but it involved aptitudes (probability), vectors, time, and other numbers. Any attempt to explain it without resorting to these will fail. (And no what they told you in grade school about the brightness outside vs. inside has nothing to do with it.)

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This question will get you into trouble. It is a throw back to pre-Newtonian ideas. That is that effects should have a reasonable reason for happening. This idea has slowly been dying since Newton's work with gravity and light. Newton cleaved the philosophical questions of why, from the evolution laws of a system. He gave no explanation of why (well he did give a few but he separated them very clearly from the evolution laws). He discovered some laws that will predict the future if you feed it parameters from the present.

So if you are searching for the philosophical answer of why the two slit experiment behaves the way it does, you are barking up the wrong tree. If you are looking for the evolution laws to predict the outcome of a 2 slit experiment these are available, but they are devoid of physical models.

But the complaints I can almost hearing you voicing are justifiable. It does violate common sense. But this certainly is not the first violation of "common sense" by physics. The idea that velocities should not be simply added is a very serious violation. Should we really be surprised that other common sense ideas like position, trajectory and even cause and effect need to be modified with a new set of logic?

To quote Feynman:


There is a much better example than the two slit experiment, a situation we are all familiar with that demonstrates the problem in a much better way IMO. Consider the following situation:

You are standing outside your home at dust. You look into a window and you can see your friend sitting on the couch, but you can also see a partially reflected image of your face on the window. If you were to replace the window with a mirror the reflected image of your face would be brighter so obviously some of the light from your face is passing through the window and some of it is bouncing back to produce this ghostly image. What determines which photons get bounced back (or what determines which photons pass through)? There is an answer to the question but it involved aptitudes (probability), vectors, time, and other numbers. Any attempt to explain it without resorting to these will fail. (And no what they told you in grade school about the brightness outside vs. inside has nothing to do with it.)


To the part about me, I'm looking for a physical explanation that's provable. Philosophical stance would just be a byproduct, and by evolution you mean physical??

To the second part, wutt?!?!?! it doesn't have to do with brightness inside vs outside? Wuttut!?!? It was always my idea that it worked that way =[
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Apr 6 2010 10:09am

I don't know very much about Physics still, but I'd like to point out:

1. Energy that Earth receive from cosmic rays can be higher than any energy from LHC, so if the cosmic rays haven't made a black hole still, LHC won't. Cosmic rays can have energies above 100 millions of TeV, while LHC can reach energies of 10-100 TeV (I have read that scattering using lead nucleus could produce energies like 1,000 TeV, but still very far from cosmic rays)

2. Until we have a good quantum gravity theory, most of these suppositions have no value.

3. Following Stephen Hawkins, black holes can evaporate; the time until they do such thing depends of their size, so a very little black hole would evaporate in a time enough fast, so we cannot detect any effect.


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Apr 7 2010 02:47am
Yes.

It is important for the Standard Model (N Higgs boson O Energy).
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Apr 7 2010 04:56pm
This is why it should stay on.
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Apr 8 2010 05:22am
i have no idea what that is
but 30 ppl voted yes and 4 voted idk what it is
no-one voted no
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Apr 8 2010 05:33am
I just watched a youtube video of it then.
It went for about 6 minutes and it explained everything, but I could swear I heard that exact story about 4 years ago...
It was on the news and some people were talking about the end of the world.
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Apr 8 2010 12:44pm
Quote (Hammer_Hdin @ Apr 8 2010 07:33am)
I just watched a youtube video of it then.
It went for about 6 minutes and it explained everything, but I could swear I heard that exact story about 4 years ago...
It was on the news and some people were talking about the end of the world.


Don't beleive everything you hear on TV
Conspiracy theories are common, just ignore them.
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